Another Snape thread! (uff)

[Jotomicron]

I have been told that you have already shown aptitude at resisting the Imperius Curse. You will find that similar powers are needed for this... brace yourself, now. Legilimens

This is one of Snape's lines, at the first Oclummency lesson.
How could he know Harry has resisted to Imperius Curse? I mean... Moody (actually, Barty Crouch Jr., a DE) has really used this against Harry, but as it is illegal, would he say to DD that he had done that? I think he would keep it secret! So DD doesn't know it. If DD doesn't know, no one at Hogwarts could know (except the students, of course!)... How does Snape know it? Did Barty Crouch say it to him? Did Snape know Moody was in fact Barty?

[Athena Appleton]

Two suggestions:

1. Remember the line in book 1 where Dumbledore says "What happened between you and Professor Quirrell is a secret, so naturally, the whole school knows about it" (okay, that's not an exact quote, but it's the general idea). Secrets don't stay secrets in Hogwarts. Snape could have heard it from any number of students or teachers.

2. It is possible Dumbledore really did want Imposter Moody to show the kids the Unforgiveable Curses and teach them to fight against the Imperius Curse. Moody was an exceptional DADA teacher, except for the one minor drawback of not really being Moody but the faithful Death Eater... Dumbledore does a lot of things in the school that the Ministry wouldn't approve of. This could just be one of them.

[Ferrus]

I got the impression that it was Dumbledore who instructed Moody (Barty Crouch) to show the students to resist the Imperius curse... I think that DD was worried that some DE might do the Imperius curse on somebody to make him/her to kill harry.

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, I think Crouch-Moody was actually acting on Dumbledore's orders... Dumbledore seems to notice everything that goes on in that school, and if Crouch-Moody was doing that on his own, Dumbledore would have been suspicious before the night of the third event.

[Mistress Siana]

Hm...DD notices everything? Including the fact that Moody was in fact Crouch jr? Including what Quirrell was up to? Including that Peter Pettigrew has been in Hogwarts for years? Or that Sirius was innocent?

Either the common belive that DD knows everything going on in Hogwarts isn't true, or we have to worry about his disposition!

[highsorcerer]

The common belief isn't true naturally. Four unregistered animagi (James Potter, Peter Pettigrew, Sirius Black, and Rita Skeeter) have operated on Hogwarts, as has two death eaters in disquise (Peter Pettigrew and Barty Crouch, Jr.), and a Voldemort in disquise (Quirrell). Harry's name got into the Goblet of Fire without his knowledge until it appeared. I don't think anything Harry and company have done has entirely escaped his notice, but he's paying attention to Harry, since he's a special case.

Harry is different because he's a pivotal player in the war against Voldemort, and by letting Harry engage in his adventures, he's testing him to some extent. Nothing teaches better than experience, and Harry has already fought Voldemort to a draw (GoF).

[Athena Appleton]

I'm sorry, I should have clarified... Dumbledore knows what's going on when it comes to the students. He knows Harry's got the Invisibility Cloak and almost always seems to know when he's using it, he sure seems to know Gred and Forge get around, he seems to have eyes everywhere. I think that he knew Moody was performing the Unforgivable Curses on the kids and it was, in fact, under Dumbledore's order.

[Mistress Siana]

I think it is more likely that Crouch jr acted on DD's order than on his own behalf. Why would he want Harry to be able to withstand the Imperius Curse?

[Athena Appleton]

is it just me, or does it seem like we're all agreeing by trying to sound like we're disagreeing?

[Broccoli]

Harry also was under Imperius Curse at the graveyard and he told DD everything later, so maybe that's what Snape refers to?

[Jotomicron]

I just remebrered something... During the Careers Advice, Umbridge seemed to know that Moody (Crouch, Jr.) had used the imperius curse on Harry (and saying it she states that this professors was not at all a good DADA professor). So, it really seems information flows within Hogwarts, whether you want it or not.

[Aberforth]

Moddy said something like: "I know your not supposed to see this until your NEWTs but Dumbledore wants you trained" or words to that effect. This says to me that DD ordered Moody to show the kids these curses.

"Constant Vigilance!"

[highsorcerer]

since the evidence is the DD didn't know Barty Crouch, Jr. was the Mole (and knew the REAL Moody wasn't), he wanted the students trained hard in DADA. CONSTANT VIGILANCE might seem hard, but it's the way nations train their armies, and DD wanted to make sure his student were up to resisting the dark arts, especially Harry.

For what it is worth, I think Dumbledore is willing to sacrifice much to give Harry the training and ability he needs to finally confront Voldemort. This includes the lives of everybody Harry holds dear - Ron (and the Weasley's), Sirius, Hermonie, himself, and anybody else, including Harry himself.

In the end, Harry is very human because he will understand the price that was paid to triumph over evil. He will have lost his parents and Godfather, and perhaps many others.

[Lupus]

I think DD knew that Voldemort will come back. He knew that Wormtail will go back to him and try to restore him. Voldemort getting his body back was just a question of time, and DD was expecting that because he believes in the prophecy. He probably ordered Moody to educate 3rd years, Harry in particular. He knew that the time will come when Harry will face Voldemort again, especially when Harry's name was entered in GoF.

[Herminny]

I think he wanted Harry trained so he could shrug off the imperius curse. It was one of voldy's favourite curses and since DD knew he would be back one day..... he got one of the few DADA teachers that he could 'trust' and who was competent.

The whole class was there to see the curse, thus the whole school would pretty quickly know too