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The meaning of names...

Postby Athena Appleton » Thursday 19 February 2004 9:37:14pm

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i split this thread because there seems to be a lot of interest in the importance and meaning behind the names of characters....

Meg Boyd wrote:I am a definite Susan-becoming-a-major-character shipper...

In Hebrew Susanna (the root of the name Susan) means 'Lily'

perhaps this a clue?


lol cool.. i did not know that...

This is a little off-topic, but I'm looking at a book that describes the "meanings" of flowers... some of this is pretty interesting, and it describes the characters well.

Lily - purity, sweetness

Water lily - purity of heart, eloquence

Rice lily - rarity

Lily-of-the-Valley - return of happiness (how appropriate, that Lily's child would bring a "return of happiness" by getting rid of Voldemort!)

Tiger-lily - Gaiety

Petunia - modesty (some also say anger or bitterness)

Poppy - consolation (great for the school nurse!)

Narcissus (think of Draco's mom) - selfishness

Lavender - hesitation

Pansy - thoughts (?????)

I got all this information from "The Anne of Green Gables Treasury". I think the meanings behind these flower names have a lot to say about the people they describe. I added all the different kinds of lillies because i think they all describe Harry's mom...
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Postby Meg Boyd » Friday 20 February 2004 12:29:05am

That is very interesting...

I always wondered about 'bones' as a last name, because where i live such a last name is rather odd (of course I live in a very German and Polish area of the country so names with 'ski' at the end are popular)

Maybe the Bones name is a foreshadowing a flesh/blood/bone connection between Harry and Susan or even Susan and Neville...

just a thought
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Postby Nobby » Friday 20 February 2004 7:15:30pm

quite possible

babynames.com

harry army ruler

ron advisor to the king- a teacher

seamus comes from the word james

ginny from the word virginia - virginal pure

molly- bitter

athur- a follower
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Postby Athena Appleton » Friday 20 February 2004 7:57:17pm

You have to remember, though, that the meanings of the names aren't the only thing she's going by.

Most people believe that Arthur is after King Arthur (taken from the WWP book).

Also, "potter" is most likely taken from a "Potter's field", a burial ground for nameless people. Harry Potter is basically an "unimportant orphan", or so it appears, but there's something deeper there (look up the meaning of "Harry", or "Henry")

Other names are taken from literature, history, or mythology. Minerva is a derivation of Athena, the goddess of wisdom (or learning, I'm tired and my facts might not be straight), crafts, and war.
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Postby Jotomicron » Saturday 21 February 2004 1:16:24pm

I thought Potter was the name of her neighbours, when she was young. At least, that's what she says in some interviews... But she could have joined the two facts, or maybe used the meaning of the name and found out Potter was the most appropriate... Just after that, she remembered about her neighbours. I don't know... I'm not Rowling...
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Postby Aberforth » Monday 23 February 2004 4:49:02pm

According to HP lexicon, "Mundungus" is a type of very smelly tabacco (hence his fondness for smoking the pipe).

And "Fudge" means to cheat, act dishonestly or fail to deliver upon a promise. Perhaps this could lead onto the politic activities of dear old Cornelius on his rise to power - mirroring Voldemort.
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Postby Gower » Monday 23 February 2004 8:13:01pm

Snape... similar to snake, showing you his slippery nature
Dudley... he is called this to show you that he is a dud. :)
Malfoy... means badness or something in french :o
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Postby Athena Appleton » Monday 23 February 2004 9:37:36pm

:lol: imagine my suprize when I got on and saw that I started a thread called "meaning of name". Thanks, Violet! Sorry I got so off-topic on the other one. :grin:

Using the Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter (a great book, if ya like HP theories, spend the $$ and get the book, it's awesome), I am listing a few possible meanings of names they come up with, some verified by J.K. Rowling, some not:

Privet Drive: "Privet" means ornamental shrub (a natural name for a well-cared for Suburban street), but in French, which J.K. Rowling taught, it would be pronounced like "privè", meaning confidential or private life.

Potter: J.K.Rowling's first book was called Rabbit (she was 6 years old.) A famous Potter in England was Beatrix Potter, author of the Peter Rabbit books. Poter was also the name of J.K. Rowling's childhood friends. The word "potter" relates to a potter's field (a burial ground) for people of unknown identity and without money, and Harry is seemingly a penniless orphan.

Harry: The definition means assault or torment. Guess if you're Voldemort that's appropriate. Harry is also a common nickname for Henry. In an interview, J.K. Rowling tells us that Harry's middle name is "James".

Albus Dumbledore (who is presumably to resemble Merlin or Gandalf): Albus is Latin for "white", a tribute to his silver hair and beard. According to a J.K. Rowling interview, his last name comes from an Olde English word bumblebee, which she chose becuse she likes to think of him as "always on the move, humming to himself." (Bumblebees also have a mighty stinger if they're threatened.)

Minerva - the Roman name for Athena :grin:, the Greek goddess of learning, wisdom, wr and crafts. Athena also is famous for morphing herself and others into clever disguises (how appropriate for an animagus and transfiguration teacher!)

Petunia - the petunia (flower) represents anger and resentment

Lily - (already talked about). I should mention, most lilies are lovely, but they only bloom for a short period of time.

James: purely speculation, but could this be a tribute to King James, who united England and Scotland? Could James Potter somehow be responsible for reuniting wizards?

Mrs. Figg: fig means "not literal" and, of course, a fig leave is "something that conceals and camoflauges"

Voldemort: In French, "vol de mort" means "flight from death". Many of the Danish kings (long history of brtal conflicts with England) had the suname Valdema and Shakespeare even drew from them to create his character nme Voltemand.

Hagrid: may be a derivation of haggard. Also brings up images of Hagar in the Hagar the Horrible comic strip. Hagar is a burly, intimidating Viking warrior, who is a regular family man, powerless around females,, and loves his dog and tankard. Hagrid's title, "Keeper of the Keys" in the French version (Le Guardien des clès) could also be translated to "Keeper of the Clues."

Gringott - combination of the French word "gringou" or "skin flint or miser" and "ingot" which is a nugget of precious metals.

Quirrell: probably a play on words of "squirrel" since he is nervous and his movements are "squirrelly".

Diagon Alley - a parallel world that intersects the Muggle world "diagonally"

Ollivander: In French, the word "olivatre" means sallow or olive-colored. In German, "van der" means from the [olive]. Could the olive reference be a reference to ancient Athens (Greece), or something else?

Weasley: sounds lie weasel, which are crafty little furballs that are very good at getting out of inconvenient situations

Draco Malfoy: Draco, is Latin for serpent (or dragon) and a very famous Draco in history is from Greece. Draco, or Drakon, was the first law-giver of Athens, whose laws were amous for promoting the death penalty. In French, "mal" mean bad, evil or sick, and "foi" (faith or trust), to be bad or evil faith. The French translation calls him Malefoy, sounding like "malefique", definately an evil name.

Hedwig: (verified by J.K. Rowling) St. Hedwig is the patron saint for a religious order that helps abandoned and orphaned children.

Percy: most likely named for Percival of the Holy Grail, who let his mother and uncle die when he could have stopped their deaths. A derivation is the French (Perce a val) and means "to take a middle road".

Snape: J.K. Rowling revealed in an interview that she got his name from a town. It also sounds like "snipe" (which is what he does to Harry with his mean attacks).... off-topic, the same place that tells the meaning of his name says she's told us in interviews that he's 35 or 36 years old at the beginning of the series

Argus Filch: Argus is a monster from Greek mythology who had 100 eyes and was a guardian used by the legendary gods (Filch always seems to have eyes everywhere).

Dobby: an uncommon version describing a hobgoblin

Gilderoy: could be gilde-roy, interpreted to mean gilded king. Something that is gilded would ave a veneer or gold, but be plain underneath, as in fake gold jewelry. "Ro" is king in French.

Arthur: most likely taken from King Artur. Also, the name Arthur Weasley rolls off the tongue to sound jus like Arthur Wellesley, the 1st Duke of Wellington (also known as the "Iron Duke"). Just like HP's Arthur, he worked in the government and was an important General.

Lucius: very much like "Lucifer". It is also the name of Pope St. Lucius I, who became Pope when the exiled St. Cornelius died (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Another namesake could be Lucius Verus, a Roman general who became co-emperor.

Spellotape: (I thought this was funny) In Britain, the brand name for adhesive (cellophane) tape is Sellotape.

Marcus Flint (Slytherin's Quidditch captain): the book has some theories about the name, I just thought it was interesting that the material, flint, ignites wood (Flint makes Oliver Wood angry)

squib: means a firework that just fizzles or "dud". Filch is a wizarding dud. :grin:

Aragog: a few possibilities. The Bible refers to Gog and Magog being bad guys. The name also sounds very similar to The Lord of the Rings Aragorn. Could Aragog be a decendant from a very powerful ancient race?

Hogsmeade: two words put together. A hogshead is a barrel, while mead is ale. Great name for a recreational town.

Sirius: the name f a star in the constellaion Canus Major (canus means "dog" in Latin). It is the brightest star in the sky, and even has a nickname: The Dog Star

Wormtail: a hint that he may be the prophesized servant of the Dark Lord - Reference Lord of the Rings Wormtongue

Narcissa: (already covered the flower meaning). In Greek legend, Narcissus had fallen so in love with his own reflection that he coul't stop looking at himself and pining away. The gods took pity on im an turned him into a flower that would sit by the water. We can assume Narcissa is vain.

Winky - "Winkies" are the names of the flying monkeys in The Wizard of Oz, servant slaves of the Wicked Witch. They are freed by Dorothy after she melts the witch.

Madam Maxime: derived from the word "maximum" or largest of a group or set. It's also a pun, as in French, the word "maxime" means maxim, which refers to rules and conduct. Very appropriate for a headmistress.
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Postby Morningstar » Tuesday 24 February 2004 2:46:19am

Some of these, like Narcissa (perhaps like narcissism, or however you spell it), Hagrid, and Minerva make sense, but most of these I had never thought/heard of before! Very interesting. :eek:
I did a bit of research and found some site that said that JKR originally wanted Severus pronounced Se-VEER-us, like most severe.
Also found this:
"The name of Severus indicates you are a diligent and persevering worker who enjoys a routine occupation where you can do a job well and finish what you start."
"Your name of Snape gives you self-assurance, independence, and confidence. You have depth of mind and the ability to concentrate and to follow a line of thought to a logical conclusion. Your love of challenging the concepts of others invariably leads you to create your own ideas and to pioneer new lines of thought."
The rest of this can be found here (scroll down about 1/2 way): http://www.sillyone.com/SSnape/bio.htm
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Postby Athena Appleton » Tuesday 24 February 2004 4:44:56am

hmmm... very cool. I didn't include the bit about Severus because, even if you pronounce it SEV-er-us, the word "severe" jumps out at you, but thanks for bringing that up...

Nobby, Ginny does come from Virginia, but it's also a nickname for a few other names, including Guinevere... I wonder... Ginny seems to date more guys than most of the other characters... wonder if she could be "committed" to the leader (Harry) but have a disasterous fling with one of his most trusted comrades (Not Ron, obviously, I'm thinking of Neville)... hmmm...
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Postby Phinea Rogue » Tuesday 24 February 2004 9:53:10pm

Thought this could interest you:

Voldemortist was said to be an evil wizard that Merlin battled before the times of King Arthur. (Fronskie Feint) Voldemortist tried to turn an entire kingdom against Merlin by enchanting the kind people and bribing those who were already evil. Legend says that Merlin defeated Voldemortist by using a paralyzing charm and feeding Voldemortist to the many-headed beast that belonged to the Lady of the Lake. The name Voldemortist means Lord of Evil. The simple form, Voldemort, means Dark Lord.
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Postby jarvan49 » Tuesday 24 February 2004 11:20:02pm

Phinea,

wow. that is some interesting facts. well done!
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Postby Jotomicron » Wednesday 25 February 2004 12:09:36am

Wow? Where did you take that from?
Good work, there!
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Postby Phaerie » Wednesday 25 February 2004 9:27:47am

J.K. Rowling interview, his last name comes from an Olde English word bumblebee, which she chose becuse she likes to think of him as "always on the move, humming to himself." (Bumblebees also have a mighty stinger if they're threatened.)


If Dumbledore means bumblebee, if the name thing is a good predictor of fate in the books. it seems likely that Dumbledore will die in one big attack, possibly protecting harry. This is because once a bee has stung something it dies.
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Postby Athena Appleton » Wednesday 25 February 2004 4:21:42pm

phaerie wrote:If Dumbledore means bumblebee, if the name thing is a good predictor of fate in the books. it seems likely that Dumbledore will die in one big attack, possibly protecting harry. This is because once a bee has stung something it dies.


ooooo I had forgotton that, good spot phaerie! I don't know that I think everything is completely literal (I think Percy is short for Percival, the guy in the Holy Grail legend who didn't do anything to stop his mothers and uncle's deaths... "uncle" meaning Sirius in this context) but it could be!

It does seem, now that I think about it, that Dumbledore has exhibited a very healthy view of death. In the Philosophers/Sorcerer's Stone, when he's talking to Harry about Nicholas Flamel, he says that "to the well organized mind, death is but the next great adventure" or something like that. When he's talking to Voldemort in OotP, he tells Voldy that his greatest weakness is failing to realize that there are things worse than death. Could all this be prepping us for Dumbledore's death (probably in Book 7)?
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