Was it really Trelawney herself who prophesied?

[Holly Golightly]

I'd say that it was a mixture of both actually. But I do really think that if she was to leave Hogwarts that she woudl be in danger from Voldie...

After all, we ahve seen that he doesn't know much about the prophecies (he needed info from others to find out how to get hold of it)!

Wait, now that the sphere containing the prophecy is destroyed, I wonder if Voldie will jsut forget about the prophecy, or still try to get it... I'd say that he knows that DD knows about it, but he has a fat chance of getting it from him. Harry said he didnt' know about it, and Voldie knows that it came from Trewlarney, so maybe he willt ry to kidnap her from Hogwarts and torture it out of her... What if she is to be one of the deaths (that I am assuming happen) in the next book???

[Jotomicron]

What if she is to be one of the deaths (that I am assuming happen) in the next book???

Well... that might indeed be the next death. But don't forget that Hogwarts is protected by many very old spell. I think VD would have a lot of work to kidnap Tralanew...

[Holly Golightly]

Well, he did go to a whole lot of work to get Harry to the DeptOM to get the prophecy in OotP, and remember when he tried to get otehrp eopel to take it too, soobv he really wants thig thing, and I dont' think that he will give up so easily.

I wonder if she gooes somewhere for the long school break?
(Summer is it? You people have your things all backwards to us! )

[yasmane]

Well, first of all, I think it doesn't make any difference if she's been possessed during her prediction by her grand-grandmother, or if it was her own prophecy.
I mean this kind of stuff doesn't really exist, so we don't really care to know how it really happened, it doesn't make any difference.

As for DD keeping Trelawney inside hogwarth, I'm not sure it is to protect her from VD. When she makes a prophecy (well just 2 in fact) she doesn't remember anything, and VD knows that for sure. So kidnapping her and torturing her would be very useless.

But I may be mistaken.

[Jotomicron]

That's what I think:

DD is kind to everyone... He wouldn't let Tralawney leave, that's for sure.
But he was also facing Umbridge, and, no matter what you say and the way he behaves, DD don't like her (at least, I think that... ) and would like to say "NO!!!" to her .

Now, maybe Tralawney will be useful in the next books . Maybe she'll sort out some other way of predicting things 8) (cause now she's sharing her job with Firenze ), or maybe she'll just be another character to make us laugh (we'll need that since the books are getting darker ).

[Holly Golightly]

When she makes a prophecy (well just 2 in fact) she doesn't remember anything, and VD knows that for sure.

Hrmm, why do you think that Voldie knows that she doesn't remember anything? I'm pretty sure that we've never been told that. We just know that he really doesn't know very much about the prophecies (all those attempts to get the globe), so...

Anyways, about wether Trewlan...(sp) is making hte prophecies herself or if she is beingposessed (prob by her great-great grandmother's spirit)... well, the discussion here is just for intrests sake really!
But, thinking a little more about it... if it really is her g-g-gm, then JK rarely put's stuff like that intot he books for no reason at all, so it might come into play somewhere in the last 2 books? You never really know!

That's just my two cents worth anyways!
Holly

[Jotomicron]

I think VD doesn't know she doesn't remember.

However, if he was able to kidnap her, he would definitivly use Legilimens and then he would find that out. But, certainly, he would also kill her unfortunately (yes,I like her, she's just so funny making all those predictions that can fit in everything that might happen... )

[Holly Golightly]

I'm really beguining to think that Trew... is going to die in Book 6...

I mean, there are now 2 Divination teachers, and in all honesty, they barely need one! It is a bit of a flakey subject after all! She she's kind of outlived her usefulness there is a sense.
Voldie will most probably still be looking for the Prophecy, and she's really the only vunerable like to it...
And if the Prophecy really did come form her g-g-gm's spirit, well, it won't be gone, so it caould possibly make another prophecy through someone else??? ( on that last one though!!!)

Well,that's my thing anyways!

Holly

[pinky p]

thats a good idea, holly
i second it!

[Holly Golightly]

YAY! I love it when people like my ideas!!!

hehehe!

[Jotomicron]

Yeah. Maybe you're right!

[yasmane]

well, if you think of it, it would be interesting for the school if trelawney dies.
I mean, they have to pay two divination teachers and with voldie and all the other difficulties they are currently facing, crisis isn't far.

I think VD is really a very good cost killer.

[Lupus]

I don’t think that T is being possessed when she is predicting. She just goes into sort of a transcendental state of mind where she’s unaware of who she is, or where she is. As a person, she is very fake, and loves to be dramatic. As such, she is unable to give true predictions, but she still shares the blood of the true seer, and true seer doesn’t know when the prophecy will be given. That’s probably why DD wants to keep her near him, because he doesn’t want her true prophecies to fall into wrong hands. Voldemort probably wouldn’t kill her, he would just wait for her to give predictions, or he would try to induce such state in her where she uses the part of her that can make predictions.

[Athena Appleton]

yeah, thanks for pulling up ancient threads...

I heard an interesting Trelawney theory...

She's really a fairly talented Seer, with one problem: she doesn't know how to interpret what she sees... so she really sees, but she's so terrible at interpreting what she sees, it comes across as a joke. Harry really did have a tie to a big black dog, but she interpreted the big black dog as being a Grim, thinking Harry would die. She saw (the tie between Harry and the big black dog) but she got lost in translation (the dog wasn't a Grim and the dog didn't fortell Harry's death.)

[pandora315]

As far as Trewlawney goes we know she has predicted things, and we know she has seer blood so I think its far to say she has some diving talent. As far as her being possesed I don't think its possible. I mean we've never heard about anyone else ever being possesed before have we? Even though events that happened as the books progressed were surprising they built upon things we learned in the previous books, so I don't think possesion is possible. Also I think maybe voldy would like to hear the prophest, but I don't think it'll be hid main focus anymore. I mean in the last book most of the wizard community didn't believe he was back so it was easy for him to concentrate on one thing. If he still wants to take over he'll have to put in a bit more effort since everyone's aware of him now, so I think Trewlawney will be safe.