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Postby Scellanis » Monday 19 April 2004 5:17:00pm

Dumbledores Master wrote:I don`t think that he will be in a portrait because no-one had any cause to paint him did they. Athena Appleton this was my first post so you can`t really blame me for putting up an existing thread. I was only a ickle babykins :P


There is reason to paint him actually...the Blacks are a big fancy pure blood family, from the description of the family tree they have and the fact that there are clearly portraits of mummy black and that guy who was a Hogwarts headmaster in the house its quite likely that they might have had portraits done at some time...of course, the Sirius ones could have been destroyed when he was burnt out of the family tree....
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Postby Dumbledores Master » Monday 19 April 2004 7:47:32pm

Exactly, they would have been destroyed. Maybe he did HAVE some but well doesn`t now.
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Postby Scellanis » Monday 19 April 2004 11:29:36pm

Not necessarily...there seem to be some pretty good ways of preventing the destroying of things....or why wasn't mummy Black's painting destroyed.....and then there are family portraits too.... I mean, when the fat lady's painting was slashed by Sirius she wasn't destroyed, she hid in someone else's painting.....you can't definately say there isn't one
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Postby Athena Appleton » Tuesday 20 April 2004 7:44:31pm

I think as far as Sirius forcing his portrait to stay safe, he just didn't care that much. In fact, I wouldn't have been that suprized if he had destroyed it himself at some point, if they were in 12 Grimmauld Place. He hated that place, he hated his family, he hated that he was part of it. He wouldn't have wanted his portrait displayed in a place like that.

Also, yes, the Fat Lady fled, but there's really not many places to think that Sirius would have a painting...

1. Grimmauld Place, but I think it would have been long destroyed, either by his mother or himself
2. Hogwarts, but why? No real reason to have a random student's portrait hanging around Hogwarts, especially after everyone (including Dumbledore) thought he was a dangerous criminal
3. James's parents house, possibly a portrait of the marauders, but I doubt it... Snapshots that move, yes... Portraits that talk, no...
4. James and Lily's house... I doubt that his portrait would have survived when the house itself didn't
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Postby Ferrus » Tuesday 20 April 2004 8:17:56pm

How about at Sirius´s Vault as a place for his hipothetical portrait to be?
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Postby Athena Appleton » Tuesday 20 April 2004 8:29:49pm

ahhh... I guess... doubt it, though...
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Postby Alice I » Tuesday 20 April 2004 10:27:41pm

I am of the mind that when Sirius opened his house to the order that he may have had a potrate done secretly for Harry. He knew that the fight against Voldemort was or should I say is a dangerous one. He lost his best friends to that fight and he may have wanted to leave something behind for Harry of himself if he were to be killed in the new war against Voldie.

Any way that's my 2 cents :D
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Postby Athena Appleton » Wednesday 21 April 2004 2:56:53am

i don't think so... just me talkin, but I don't feel like he probably had a portrait made...

I was thinking about the portraits and the pictures...

Some seem to have special abilities that others don't... Yes, the portraits at Hogwarts can go from portrait to portrait (Sir Cadogan runs through the portraits, the Fat Lady goes to another one, Vi goes to see the Fat Lady) but only a select few can go from location to location (like Phineas can go from 12 Grimmauld Place to Hogwarts and back... another witch can go from Dumbledore's office to St. Mungo's)

Oh wait, I don't know for sure about this, and I still don't think Sirius has a portrait at 12 Grimmauld Place or anywhere else... but was the portrait that talks to Harry in the room he and Ron stay in Phineas? Do we know for sure who it was? I'll have to look again...

Anyway... I don't think Sirius had a portrait made after he got out of Azkaban (who would have done it... only people who know where Sirius is is the Order, and none of them, as far as we know, are that gifted in art)
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Postby Evil Wizard Petting Zoo » Wednesday 21 April 2004 11:43:58pm

Oh wait, I don't know for sure about this, and I still don't think Sirius has a portrait at 12 Grimmauld Place or anywhere else... but was the portrait that talks to Harry in the room he and Ron stay in Phineas? Do we know for sure who it was? I'll have to look again..
It was Phineas b/c Harry says something like "now I know who that was talking in the blank picture" when DD tells Phineas to go to Grimmaud Place.
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Postby Athena Appleton » Thursday 22 April 2004 4:23:28am

yeah, but did Dumbledore or anyone else confirm it... I mean, there are lots and lots of examples of Harry making an "obvious" assumption, only to be proven wrong...
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Postby Alice I » Thursday 22 April 2004 1:55:17pm

Ok let me throw this in just to muck things up.

If Sirius had a potrait at Grimmuld Place would it be visable while he is still alive? (Yes I know we could not see the picture in Harry's room)
Has there ever been a picture mentioned anywhere in any of the books of a person still living?
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Postby Athena Appleton » Thursday 22 April 2004 3:56:45pm

hmmm... it hasn't been mentioned...

I wonder if it's as common now to do portraits as it was a long time ago when most of the portraits we know about were made... like, it was fairly common a few hundred years ago for at least wealthy folks to have their portraits made, but now that we have cameras, fewer and fewer people are sitting for paintings...

Paintings (portraits) seem to have a little more vim and vigor than photographs... Snapshots only allow the people to wave, smile, scowl, that kind of thing, but they never talk...

I wonder if that's why we don't know of many people who are alive who have portraits...
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Postby Ferrus » Thursday 22 April 2004 9:31:05pm

Some seem to have special abilities that others don't... Yes, the portraits at Hogwarts can go from portrait to portrait (Sir Cadogan runs through the portraits, the Fat Lady goes to another one, Vi goes to see the Fat Lady) but only a select few can go from location to location (like Phineas can go from 12 Grimmauld Place to Hogwarts and back... another witch can go from Dumbledore's office to St. Mungo's)


As far as I can remember Dumbledore said that if you´ve got more that one portrait made of yourself, you can move between them. So all portraits have the same powers... its just that Sir cadogan only has that one portrait of himself (I wonder why...)
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Postby Athena Appleton » Thursday 22 April 2004 10:30:23pm

lemme look it up... he did say that only wizards and witches who were really... important (for lack of a better word) had portraits in more than one place...

okay...

OotP, St. Mungo's Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries wrote:
"Everard and Dilys were two of Hogwarts's most celebrated Heads," Dumbledore said, now sweeping around Harry, Ron and Professor McGonagall and approaching the magnificent sleeping burd on his perch beside the door. "Their renown is such that both have portraits hanging in other important Wizarding institutions. As they are free to move between their own portraits they can tell us what may be happening elsewhere..."


So, the most renowned people had portraits in more than one institution (like Hogwarts and St. Mungos, or Hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic). Other people do have the ability to move among their portraits to different locations, but not that many people, I don't think, would have more than one portrait. Phineas did because he was head of Hogwarts, and he had one at home. But I don't think it likely at all that Sirius had more than one, or even that likely that Sirius even has one that's survived. If he had one at Grimmauld Place, I think his mother would have gotton rid of it. If he had one just about anywhere else, after he was proclaimed a terrible criminal wizard, I don't think people would have been too keen on keeping his portrait around.
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Postby Alice I » Saturday 24 April 2004 5:02:11am

It has occured to me that if we are all making such a fuss about Sirius coming back what are we all going to do when she kills off the next character?
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