Can you run away from a spell?

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Postby Holly Golightly » Wednesday 14 May 2003 9:13:53am

Hrmm, with the energy thing...

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed... so if I spell is energy, and a wand has the power to thus create energy in the form of a spell, it would logically have thus have the power to destroy energy, also inthe form of a spell???
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Postby Paul » Wednesday 14 May 2003 9:14:07pm

You're right about energy cannot be created or destroyed, but yes, as Neo said, it can be transformed. Therefore I don't think the wand has the power to "create" energy - my guess is that the energy which goes into a wand's spell is energy from the human body (the person holding the wand). This energy is transformed into the spell through the wand by using the correct words of the spell. It emerges from the wand as a packet of spell information energy (similar to the way packets of info come through your telephone line for your internet connection). If it hits another packet of spell energy which is encoded with blocking capabilities, the two energy packets could simply transform themselves into heat/noise energy (or something similar) and dissipate. However, if a packet of spell energy accidentaly hits another normal (non-blocking) spell, the 2 spells will try to continue to act out their original instructions but could be diverted from their original path due to the fact that they collided.
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Postby Scellanis » Wednesday 14 May 2003 9:26:53pm

*blinks*

mad scientist mr paul to the rescue me thinks......how do you know all this insanely complicated and confusing stuff??
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Postby Holly Golightly » Thursday 15 May 2003 4:50:43am

I agree with all that you wrote there Paul, but what I meant by the wand creating it was that magic can create energy in the form of a spell... maybe?

Also, another thing here... we are using the laws of physics as they are in the world today...
Obviously magic does not obey these laws, so how can we really use then to describe a magical act? :???:
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Postby Neo » Thursday 15 May 2003 6:08:12am

I have a theory about that, the laws of physics are exactly the same; just that the essence of being a wizard is being able to bend and even broke some (just like Neo and Morpheus in the Matrix but in a different way); so then you could sday they could break this rule about the energy not being destroyed, but creating or destroying energy would be so difficult that the magic a wizard is able to perform isn't enough for that. (Was I clear?)
And yeah, blocked spell could transform into heat and noise (I have thought of movement, but it could be any other type of energy)
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Postby Mint » Thursday 15 May 2003 4:11:03pm

dissipate - thats the word I was looking for!!! :grin:

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Postby Neo » Friday 16 May 2003 5:19:45am

Dissipating very powerful spell must have a great reaction, of ate least sound, movement and light. One example could be priori incantatem and all the light it is showed.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Friday 16 May 2003 5:27:49pm

Thought I'm finding this very interesting *okies, I'm a science freak!* I think that we might have hit the over-analyse thing??? :???:
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Postby Paul » Friday 16 May 2003 11:05:45pm

Yes, but analysis is what we mad scientists do :) (thanks for the Mad Scientist thing Sonkem - I'm always watching those science program thingies on TV and wishing I'd been able to do that type of stuff!)

More over-analysis by me...
Holly Golightly wrote:Also, another thing here... we are using the laws of physics as they are in the world today...
Obviously magic does not obey these laws, so how can we really use then to describe a magical act?

Italics added for emphasis.

I'd replace "as they are" by "as we know them". I'm pretty certain that there is still a huge amount of physics and stuff that we don't know about yet, and some of what we find out in the future may help to explain or make possible things that everyone may have thought completely impossible until then (just take the discoveries of radio, electricity or atomic power for examples in the last couple of hundred years). Humankind (if it is lucky) has millions of years ahead of it, and who knows what wonders of physics etc we will find. Maybe the Wizarding World just knows a lot of stuff that the muggle world doesn't know (yet?) and the wand is an important part of the equipment to transfer energy from the body (ie the energy which we all have in our bodies to enable us to move and think) into spell energy.

Neo, yes Prior Incantatem would actually be a good example of how brother/sister wands would cause each other's spell energy to dissapate.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Saturday 17 May 2003 5:17:28am

Okies, Paul... I really like the wozarding world knowing more about the physics stuff thatn muggles, but then I thought, Ron mentiones scientisis such as Ptolemy as being on those wizard cards, and he wasn't any more aware than the muggles were about phyiscs. He did think of a few theories (planetary rotation etc, I think) , but wasn't he actually wrong? :(


Also, I totally agree that all that we know isn't necessarity right, or all that there is! That's why I wrote in the world today! In the future, I woudl say that we will know alot more than right now... especially on stuff like the properties of light, and travell at the speed of! :grin:
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Postby Neo » Saturday 17 May 2003 6:53:40am

It seems we are going out of topic a lttle (but Mint you could have make it more general); but I think, ever person has different abbilities and different intellligences (maths, verbal, etc); I was thinking that magic Ç(the ability to control physic laws) is just part of some, that is the reason why some people are more muggles than others.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Saturday 17 May 2003 8:27:38am

I dont' understnad what you mean by more muggle Neo...

Either you have magical capabilities (even if very very little and are thus a squib) or you have none, and thus a muggle? no???
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Postby Neo » Monday 19 May 2003 4:39:43pm

I think that if there are wizards more capable than others, like Neville having more trouble with spells and all that; there should be muggles that have less magic than others, for example teher should be muggles tha aren't afraid of magic; I thought of it when Hagrid went for Hagrid and tells Uncle Vernen;
I'd like ter see a grat Muggle like you stop him"


and later:

An' it's tour bad luck you grew up in a family o' the boggest Muggles I ever laid eyes on"


So this make me think that people who are less muggle are the ones that aren't afraid of magic.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Tuesday 20 May 2003 5:32:03am

I dont' really think that that's how that was meant neo...

If a Muggle is someone with no magic, how can you ahve varying levels of 'no'? you can't have less of nothing than someone else! But you can have more magic than others who have some magic... the amount you have can vary... but not the amount of none you have... it's just none...

Mr Weasley descirbes Hermoine's parents as muggles, and they dont' seem frightened of Hermoine, and they obviously know about magic *haven't a witch for a daughter, and going to visit Diagon Alley...*
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Postby Neo » Tuesday 20 May 2003 9:14:26pm

Maybe they have a little magic in them, but enough to be called wizards. (that's what I think)
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