Foreshadowing (spoilers)

[Lizzy Bennet]

As we've commented in other sections before book 5 came out, it seems that when J.K. Rowling mentions something, it generally reappears later in the story. For instance, she mentioned that Kreacher was not to be trusted, and lo and behold, he wasn't. There was a reason Harry wasn't to continue having his dreams as Dumbledore knew that Voldemort could use Harry's mind to either manipulate or possess him, as Harry and Voldemort share a bond. Sure enough, Harry was tricked into believing that Sirius was being tortured by Voldemort at the Department of Mysteries.

There were some things that were mentioned in book 5 that I wonder if they won't be significant in later books. For instance, the family tree that Sirius shows Harry that all the pure-bloods are related (of course, that did come back a little later when we learned Kreacher went to join the Malfoys and when we meet up with Bellatrix later). Or how about Mrs. Weasley fighting the boggart and seeing all her children dead...will a Weasley be lost in either book 6 or 7? And what about the veil that Sirius disappeared through that Harry and Luna talked about...will Harry (and possibly Luna) go back to the Department of Mysteries to talk to people on 'the other side'? I wonder, now that Harry has gotten an insight into Snape, if he and Snape won't eventually talk...I'm not sure. Maybe they never will, but I think Harry will continue to learn about his parents and their past.

Can you think of anything else that might be foreshadowing for future books and what might happen? There were loads of details in book 5 and all sorts of things that could have been foreshadowing or laying the foundation for future books. Harry has lost all his 'family' now and has realized Dumbledore isn't perfect...it'll certainly make him feel isolated...which makes me think he'll think over what Luna said about the veil and want to try to talk to Sirius. It'll be interesting to hear your ideas about foreshadowed events and clues in book 5 about things to come.


~ Lizzy

[June]

I haven't read Book 5 enough times to pick up the clues and foreshadowings... but I remember Rowling mention before that Sirius's death is the first of the significant deaths... there's going to be a bloodbath in the next 2 books... that sounds very ominous...

[Lunatech]

I see a lot of the teachers and Order of the Phoenix dying in the next books. I think she would probably make book 6 very dismal for a big finish in book 7.

[Boycey]

I have to say that in most books you always get information from the books that either will turn out to be useful in the book, or in a series of book in this case and that very few times do you get information that turns out to be uneassary, so for like you said that keacher to be not trusted and the dreams to be unrealiable does not surprise me that it was mentioned before these things come into play because in a book they have to be mentioned before they do what they do as to make the reader understand why things are doing what they are doing when they are doing it.

Anyway I think like you that the veil will have a very big part in later books, and there is many things that we will learn from it to come, but talking about rooms in the ministry what about the brain room, I think thats another room that will play a big part in future books as well as the room that has somthing in it about Harry that Harry could not open.

[Nothlit]

I was actually disappointed with some of the foreshadowing in OotP. Too many of the ominous "what ifs" that were suggested by characters turned out to be true...the most obvious being that Kreacher did betray the Order, and that Voldemort was manipulating Harry's dreams. I don't mind foreshadowing when the reader is the one to say, "Hmm, what if..." but when it's the characters that do the pondering, and it turns out to be true, it seems like the author cheated somehow. Oh well, I still liked the book on many of its other merits.

[Fafnul Black]

Sirius talked about a "weapon" that Voldemort is seeking. Was it really this Prophecy's business ? If not, it might come up in future books, no ? Although, since stealth seemed to have been required, it could be thougher for Voldie now.

[jonny5]

I feel like the comments of Moody and Lupin are really important when it comes to the Orders level of preperation for the ensuing war. When Moody went through the picture with Harry and took him through the first Order it definately gave off an extrememly ominous feeling. I mean, half the people he told Harry about were dead! Then Lupin (i think it was Lupin who comforted Molly Weasley when she was having a go at the Boggart) told Mrs. Weasley that it was ok and would not be like the last time because they were more prepared for Voldemort this time around. Well, unfortunately I think that the picture and that specific comment were rather important foreshadowing devices. I think we can expect to see a lot of the Order - and others - die in 6 and 7. I would not be surprised if the same amount of Order members die as they did the last time im betting Tonks, Kingsley, Bill or Charlie Weasley, Mundungus, Diggle, and, dare i say, Moody or Lupin?

[HuffleDuck]

DO any ofyou remember the part where Ginny says she had an older sister( i might have mistaken it? I's trying to reread to find that part.(If somebody knows please post the page) .I remembered when the chapter Advance Guard.. Moody or Lupin says that there a lot of members in the Order.. could it be some of them are not introduced yet?I just hope Lupin will survive for he's the last member of Marauder( excluded the traitor Wormy ).The brain part might be important too.

[Holly Golightly]

Well, here's what I'm thinking...

The family tree has been important, when we learn that all the pure-bolld are intermattied, esp... When we learnt that Bellatrix is Sirius's cousin and Kreacher went over to her, when we learnt that the Malfoy's were related, and thus Narcissa is a nasty thing too, finding out that that headmaster Phineas Nigellus is related and can move in portraits, so I think that the family tree has done it's part.

Also, about the boggat, I assumed that the reason for that was to freak us out when reading to make up think (as I did) that Mr Weasley would be the one to die.. So I think that the reason for that has been done too!

But for things that will have more meanings in future books... I'd say; Luna Lovegood, the Veil, the Prophecy, this Occelmency business, the other rooms at the DoMyst mainly the locked (love) room, and I'm hoping that Umbridge will be back too!

Well, that's what I think anyways!!!

Holly ~

[HuffleDuck]

kreacher didn't went to bellatrix, he went to Narcissa.. And yeah the family tree might be important in the future book. i have forgot the other clues.. Guess i have to read again and will post it

[gecko]

I'm dead curious to see how Neville's character is going to develop. He was so cute with his plant, can't recall the name now.

How do you think Harry's life at the Dursley will be, now that the order is going to keep an eye on them. Maybe they'll start treating Harry with respect.. Interesting.

Also, I thought I'd read somewhere, that the room in which Sirius died, was the 'deathchamber' or something like that. How come all those Dark Wizards weren't executed when they were captured when Voldemort was defeaten the first time. And will they be, once they're captured again?

[Claire]

One thing that I think will come back is that plant Neville had. I can't remember the name right now, but he said it does lots of stuff...

[Shadow Knight]

yea he said it had a vry sphisticated defense system

[Holly Golightly]

Yeah, thanks for the Narcissa thing, I noticed last night when I got to that part again!!! I read the thing so quickly the first time, just needed to know what happened next, that I somehow read Bellatrix instead of Narcissa!

About the death chamber, I think that would have only have been for the worst of criminals, like Voldie... he was the leader after all... or maybe it was previously used for that, but not anymore???

And yeah, that plant definately has to make a comeback, I thought so when Neville showed people (and was so excited) but when Mimbulus Mimbletonia was the new Griff common room password, I knew that we would definately be hearing more of it!!!

Maybe Neville and Prof Sprout try to breed it???

[Fafnul Black]

As the Death Chamber with the Veil is in the DoMyst, I would rather see it as a laboratory than as an execution room. You know, people seating around it, deep in concentration, and scribbling some notes on clipboards.

Indeed, I do not think the death sentence is applied any more by the Ministry. After all, the plot is taking place in England in the nineties ...