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Dumbledore's gleam

Postby Albus » Tuesday 22 July 2003 2:24:28pm

I have looked for the forum to find if there was already this topic, but I didn't find it. Maybe it's not so correct put it in "Theories based on the fifth book", because it concerns the fourth, but anyway maybe the OoP might help us :)

The famous quote from Goblet of Fire:

"He said my blood would make him stronger than if he'd used someone else's," Harry told Dumbledore. "He said the protection my - my mother left in me - he'd have it too. And he was right - he could touch me without hurting himself, he touched my face." For a fleeting instant, Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes. But next second. Harry was sure he had imagined it, for when Dumbledore had returned to his seat behind the desk, he looked as old and weary as Harry had ever seen him.

The question which is still without answer is: what did that gleam mean ?
Someone retains it's a sign of Dumbledore's "evil" but I can't accept it, moreover having read Oop: I think it's impossible DD will get on LV's side!

Someone else says that keeping Harry's blood, Voldemort has become mortal, and so he can be killed. This would agree with the prophecy, which says that one of the two will kill the other in the end...

I mean, have we known anything new in Order of Phoenix of what that gleam might mean ??? :???: I'm wondering about it, in my opinion that's the key of everything, and JK will of course write upon it in the sixth or almost the seventh book.

What's your opinion ?
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Postby June » Tuesday 22 July 2003 2:51:03pm

Hello Albus, there have been various brief discussions about this "gleam in the eye" quote, but they're probably so scattered among various topics that it's almost impossible to search for it. Anyway, the closest I come to a similar thread is this:

http://www.broomsticksandowls.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7170


But this doesn't mean that your thread is redundant. ^_~ We can perhaps discuss with regards to OotP instead? I think that OotP didn't really solve this mystery... in fact, I have a sneaking suspicion that it will only be solved in the 7th book... -.-;;

The most plausible theory so far has been that Harry's blood made Voldemort mortal, but if that's the case, why didn't Dumbledore try to kill Voldemort during the Great Battle then? Unless it's because he knows he can't kill Voldemort because of the prophecy? Or perhaps looking at it in another angle... one interpretation of the prophecy is that only Harry can kill Voldemort, and so the shared blood plays a part in this? Because they share the same blood, they're linked in a way, and in accords to the prophecy then, Voldemort is only mortal in front of Harry, making Harry the only person who can kill him?
That's a theory anyway, and that may be why Dumbledore had that gleam of triumph in his eye and a moment later, a wreariness that made him look all 150 years of his age, because he knows of the prophecy, and now knows that the stage is set for an ultimate battle between Voldemort and Harry, and that Harry now may have a fighting chance to get rid of Voldemort forever.
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Wednesday 23 July 2003 1:42:58am

yeah, this has been discussed before, it means that boldermort can now be harmed and killed like a human, like he should have been when his curse backfired off harry
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Dumbledore and the Gleem

Postby highsorcerer » Wednesday 23 July 2003 8:14:31am

I would hazard a guess that the gleem was an indication that the prophecy referred to Harry was confirmed. Voldemort did not deliberately mark Harry the first time (with the scar), but he certainly marked Harry as his equal in GoF, both by his selection of Harry as the wizard to take blood from, and the ritual marking (via Peter's daggar) used to draw the blood. So it indicated to Dumbledore that he was right all along, then his jubilation at the confirmation was deadened by the reality that Harry must either kill or be killed by Voldemort. It would be a mixed feeling, because while he knows that Harry is more powerful than Neville Longbottom (the other possibility, though Neville is now outperforming everybody but Hermoine and Harry at DADA, and even beat Hermoine at the practical part of the D.A. "final exam"), he's also more emotinally attached to Harry.

It's quite possible that Dumbledore has let Harry get away with rule-breaking is that he's been excellent training for what he's eventually going to face. I have no doubt that Dumbledore knew all about D.A. and completely approved of it.

One thing that I'm curious about; once Dumbledore knew of the existance (and value) of the Maurader's Map, why didn't he create his own version of it? While the portraits (and Fawkes) provide an excellent spy network, a Maurader Map would have let him spy on the location of Umbridge while preparing to send the Weasley's and Harry to London via portkey.
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Postby Albus » Wednesday 23 July 2003 2:53:51pm

That was great HighSorcerer !!!
I hadn't yet thought about the explanation of the blood...
Sounds interesting...

Anyway, just about the Marauder's Map, I think Dumbledore doesn't need it... I have the exact sensation that he knows everything is happening at Hogwarts... Is he or isn't he the HeadMaster... ?
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Wednesday 23 July 2003 3:40:01pm

just because he is the head master, doesn't make him omnipitant, we've discussed this before, he is very wise, but not all knowing
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Postby yasmane » Thursday 24 July 2003 12:13:37pm

You're right about DD not being omnipitant.
But it's true that he knows most of the things happening in Hogwarth. For instance he knew since the beginning about the DA club.
Concerning Harry's blood, who said LV was before immortal : I mean it was really hard to kill him, we saw that, but it's nowhere said that he can't be killed.
And for DD's gleam when he heard from Harry that LV had used his blood, I'm still wondering why.
I guess you all must be close to the solution, but I'm pretty sure it's not exactly that and that JKR will still surprise us.
Wait and see.
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Thursday 24 July 2003 2:49:52pm

right, but we do have the knowledge that he was trying to make himself imortal and got very close by the looks of it, he should have been killed by the rebounded curse
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Postby Holly Golightly » Saturday 26 July 2003 11:34:47am

I that he must have succeded somewhat, or, as you jsut said,Voldie would have been killed by that curse...

But then in one of the books (I've totally forgotten which, but probably GoF) he says that he had given up chasing immortal life, with the Phliosephers(sp) Stone, and was ready to settle for a mortality again!

Actually, it must have been GoF, huh!!! At the end, after he got his body back!

Hrmm, I'm too lazy to go back and look up the exact quote, so I'm sure that everyone will get my drift!!! ;)
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Postby rory » Wednesday 20 August 2003 4:45:43pm

DD has a gleam in his eye in gof because he knows that LV has taken the blood from the wrong boy in taking it from Harry as he should have taken it from Neville.

See nevilletopic. :welcome:
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Postby Iluvatar » Wednesday 20 August 2003 4:51:45pm

I think that when Voldie took Harry's blood he miscalculated again. i think that the consequence cannot be determined yet and JKR will introduce a new factor in the next two books which will tell us what Dumbledore was apparently happy about. Basically she is prodding our curiosity and preparing the plot for the books to come.

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Postby highsorcerer » Thursday 21 August 2003 12:39:40pm

Oh, I agree. Taking Harry's blood was a mistake. Because while it gives certain protection, it has certain risks.

Indeed, taking Harry's blood has made him weaker than he knows. It's almost amazing Voldemort didn't realize it from the start. James and Lily died for Harry, and Harry is also willing to die to defy Voldemoret. Because in the end, Lily's death sacrifice led to magic blood, Voldemort has never seen love as power. He only sees power. As shown, his evil is powerless against love, and now he's got it in his veins.

In the end, maybe that will happen. In some way, Harry and Voldemort fight, and Harry makes it a battle of love . It's been hinted at that the DOM top security room is the study of love. And maybe if the Wealeys and Harry pair up with their love, Voldemort can't stand it.
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Postby Iluvatar » Thursday 21 August 2003 4:00:02pm

Sounds like it may get too corny for my taste in books 6 and 7
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Postby Meg Boyd » Thursday 21 August 2003 4:03:38pm

exactly...Voldy was on such a trip for power and greed that i seriously doubt he had any human left in him to die...or feel love....and now that he has Harry's love-filled human blood he can feel love and it is in his veins and this will help love be the down fall of LV...i mean isn't the worst pain in the world caused by broken hearts, un requitted love, and the absentce of love at all????
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Postby highsorcerer » Friday 22 August 2003 3:18:43pm

Maybe. While their wands will fight to a draw, the blood love of Lily is in both Harry and Voldemort. So maybe it will be a draw of magic, but Harry taunting Voldemort in the worst way - for him. Harry asking him if his parents loved him. If an adopted family (the Weasleys) loved him. If a godfather loved him.

It's a clever trap - one that bring Voldemort into his greatest weakness and Harry's greatest strength. All Harry has to do is indicate the love the others have shown him for what he was... the Weasley's, for being a great friend of Ron (buying him treats he couldn't afford in book 1), Ginny (from the chamber of secrets), the twins (helping them start their shop), Charlie (for getting past the horntail), and even Bill. Voldemort rules through fear; Harry has gotten strength from loyality and friendship.

Plus, isn't it a statement on Molly Weasley? She'd adopt Harry in a second. Who else does he have? The Dursley's who hate him, Sirius and Lupin maybe (who were escaped "killers" and werewolfs). She loves him because he is who is his, not a great wizarad, but a great friend.

It probably started in book 1, when Ron said Harry probably wouldn't get any Chirstmas presents. Molly thought that was wrong, and send her own present to him. Since then, she's treated him as a son. It's only grown stronger.

Plus, if Harry marries Ginny, it would cement it all. My father's parents hated my mother, and my father's family disapproved as well. But the Weasley's would love Harry as a member of the family, and who cares about the Dursleys?
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