Peter's possible Bravery???

[Holly Golightly]

Okies, here's a bit of a wild theory that I just came up with! It's very far fetched, but it could be possible!!!

As you might have noticed, I can't seem to let go of the theory that James wasnt' there at Goddrics Hollow when Lily dies and Voldie's curse backfired from Harry... Here's my latest step in the theory... Oh, and I'll post that quote from PoA again, just so that people don't have to look it up, to tell me the undoublable flaws in this theory!!!

big blurred shapes were moving around him... then came a new voice, a man's voice, shouting, panicking -
'Lily, take Harry and go! It's him! Go! I'll hold him off - '
The sounds of someone stumbling from a room - a door bursting open - a cackle of high-pitched laughter -
'Harry! Harry... wake up...'

Now, what if the man's voice was Peter Petigrew's????

There are two possible ways that I see that this could heppen...

1) Peter gets a bit of backbone (which might be why he was placed in Griffindor (I'm assuming) ) and decided to go warn Lily before Voldie gets there... he yells that he will hold Voldie off, but didn't really mean it (obviously, since he just gave Voldie the info) and stumbled out of the room before Voldie got there, so that Voldie wouldnt' know that it was him, and possibly give Lily and Harry a chance to escape! After all, they were supposed to be his friends, and he was trying to give them a warning without getting himself killed!

2) Voldie's plan was for Peter to go there before hand, because he knew that he could take on Lily and get to Harry, even if they had a few seconds of warning. Peter was there and yelling to Lily to get an aliby. Voldie hadnt' planned to kill Lily, remember, so she would have given testimony that Peter was there, helping to save her life (if she didnt' die that is) and then Peter woudln't be a suspect DE! No one would believe Sirius if he came and said that they had switched SKeeper, because Peter was there trying to save Lily, and Sirius was not.

See the simplicity of both of them!
Also, Harry didnt' hear Peter's voice till later on in PoA, so he woudn't have recognised it.

It just seems strange that a person leaves (stumbles form) the room before Voldie even bursts into the room, and that no spells were said during that period either...>? It woudl also explainLupin's shock, because I'm working on the theory that James was killed earlier that day or so, so his body wasn't found at GH where Lily's was.And that no one was supposed to be there, thus Lupin's shock!

Also, this is how Peter gets Voldie's wand (obv, body-less Voldie couldnt' have carried it out with him) If peter was waiting outside int he garden or whatever, he could have gone back inside after bodly-less Voldie floated away and picked up his wand...

Okies, so... time to pick out the probs with this far-fecthed theory of mine!!!
Tell me what you think everyone!

Holly

[June]

Interesting posibility. ^_~ You know, Holly... though I'm not totally convinced that it happened the way you just described, I'm slowly being won over by you that it was not Jame's voice that Harry heard in his visions...

[Holly Golightly]

Woo-Hoo!!! It seems that I am slowly winning people over to that idea!

(Though I think that some of it might be...hrmm, if we just agree with her, Holly will shut up about this stupid theory!!! ) HAHAHA!!!

[gecko]

This is nice! I'm not sure how to read the said quote, it all depends whose voice it is. JKS drives you in the direction that it is James' voice, but she could be fooling us there (as I too begin to believe)!

Your theory seems to make sense, but somehow, some things about it don't feel right. Wouldn't Harry have recognised Peter's voice later, when he actually met him? And the wand-carrying-thing still is a bit of a mystery. Though I think that the wand will transform into a bit of the animal they're turning into too, and that they can transform back at will, at which time they still have their wand. I mean, their clothes transform into animal too, and they are still there when the animagi have transformed back into humans!

[Holly Golightly]

I though about Harry recognising Peter's voice later on, but here's my thinking...

Harry immediately decided that the voice was his fathers (like we all did) so wouldnt' have been trying to recognise it later on... Also, all the times that Harry has heard Peter's voice have been in times of great confusion, so your not always taking in every detail, only the most prominent (ie saving his life, and those of his friends, and stopping Voldie)

Anyways, yeah! :grin)

(it's Sunday, and I have nothing to do, so I'm jut hanging around on this forum waiting to see what people think of this thoery, which I still think is pretty cool (no one has put a major hole in it yet!!!)... Just trying to explain why every second post is mine!!! )

Holly

[gecko]

Well, you got me there, I guess I can cross that argument!
But, you're saying that nobody knows this, except Peter and Voldemort? And perhaps Harry too, but he can't remember it..

Uhm I was wondering, don't you think his parents should've told them that, when they came out of Voldemort's wand in GoF? Okay, it was a bit of a tense situation, but, well it would clarify a few things I guess!!

[Holly Golightly]

I thought that you had gotten me for a minute ther Gecko, but I figured it...

Okies, did the Potters know that Sirius and James had switched as SK... Also, woudl they know (being dead) that Sirius was convicted for the murder, that Peter snitched to Voldie and was presumed dead, but still running around alive?

I mean, if Lily was the only one there, and she heard Peter (supposingly oneof her husbands best frineds) she wouldn't think that that was abnormal, hey!

(Woo-Hoo! I'm so excited, my theory is still plausable!)

[han lin]

wow, i love this theory, wow i can never think of my own ones. Maybe we will find out when James died in the next book. he must have died earlier that day ( or voldie killed noone between him and lilly) but he could have been on like an undercover mission or something so the minestry could have "denied all knowledge of him" and so it just been assumed that he died at the same time as Lilly?

[Albus]

I think that's a possible theory: I can see a confirm of this when, in PoA, Sirius says that the night James and Lily died, he had gone looking for Peter in his hiding, but he didn't find him, so he hurried to the Potters' house and found it destroyed.

I have only a question, which may support your theory too, Holly: James died just after Lily (he came out of Voldemort's wand before Lily), so there's a thing I can't understand: LV wanted to kill Harry, but Lily stopped him, he killed Lily, THEN he killed James, so I think he may have arrived home only a little after Voldemort, what do you think ?
This would agree to the theory that the voice is Peter's and not James's.

I have re-read just now the end of PoA and GoF, and I can't see another reason for which he killed Lily before James.
Need someone's help, please !!!

[Barry Trotter]

woah
i hadn't noticed that before.

That means that the Voice Harry heard couldn't have been James's but then LV would have had to kill James between when he Killed Lilly and he Attacked Harry.

Maybe James came up just as LV was killing Lilly and tried to get between the cot and Harry?

but Lilly was killed before James? bimey takes some thinking about.
here is where they come out of voldies wand

The smoky shadow of a tall man with untitdy hair fell to the ground as Bertha had done, straightned up, and looked at him ....and Harry, his arms shaking madly now looked back into the ghostly face of his father.
"your mother's coming..." he said "She wants to see you...it will be alright...hold on..."


and a bit ferther on when explaining the priori Incantatem dumbledore says

" " one of the wands will force the other to regurgitate spells it has performed - in reverse. The most recent first .. and then those which preceed it..."

so there we have it
James was Killed After Lilly, But before Voldie had a go at Harry ( obvieously.)
hmm the plot thickens!!

[Gwared]

I think that's a possible theory: I can see a confirm of this when, in PoA, Sirius says that the night James and Lily died, he had gone looking for Peter in his hiding, but he didn't find him, so he hurried to the Potters' house and found it destroyed.

I have only a question, which may support your theory too, Holly: James died just after Lily (he came out of Voldemort's wand before Lily), so there's a thing I can't understand: LV wanted to kill Harry, but Lily stopped him, he killed Lily, THEN he killed James, so I think he may have arrived home only a little after Voldemort, what do you think ?
This would agree to the theory that the voice is Peter's and not James's.

I have re-read just now the end of PoA and GoF, and I can't see another reason for which he killed Lily before James.
Need someone's help, please !!!

The wand scene has since been rewritten so that Lily comes out before James...early editions had the method you describe and to which JK said it wasn't a mistake. Then it was rewritten...but why?

[Barry Trotter]

ahh this is hurting my head
CONFUSED

[Albus]

What ? The end of GoF has been rewritten ???
I didn't knew...
I've been wondering about this... I think the fact James died after Lily is extremely important for the whole series !!!

[Barry Trotter]

well if it was rewritten then it can't have been ment to be ifyou know what i mean.

James must have died before Lilly.

[Holly Golightly]

James did die before Lily,and the editions where he came out of the wand first were a misprint. JK has admitted this, and that is why it has been changed in following edditions!

So we know that Voldie killed James before he killed Lily, but not how long before...

Maybe Peter told Voldie where the Potters were, and on the way, Voldie saw James somewhere, and killed him, which allowed Peter to get there before Voldie...

Or, maybe Voldie came home(???) and tells his DE's that he killed James Potter on his travells, Peter says he knows where their house is, and Voldie goes off to destroy them, since James obv won't be ther to stop him!