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Proof: Sprout is evil!!!

Postby Mistress Siana » Tuesday 30 December 2003 1:38:43am

hehe, maybe not really, but there's something I noticed while I was re-reading OotP:
Do you remember Broderick Bode, the Unspeakable that was injured in a confrontation with some Death Eaters in the ministry and was no longer able to speak. He was sent to St. Mungo's, and when he started to recover from the spell, he was killed by a cutting of Devil's Snare.
When the trio found out about the murder, they had an exceptionally long talk about killing somebody by using a Devil's Snare, and even Hermione was surprised about such a subtle kind of murder. This kind of left me with the impression that this murder is of greater importance than it seemed at first. I wondered:
A Devil's Snare is a rather dangerous plant, and putting a cutting of it in a pott to send it to a hospital, btw an environment a Devil's Snare doesn't like at all, certainly requires some herbiology skills. Who of the Death Eaters could do such a thing? It seems as if only the highest ranking DEs were involved in the plan to steal the prophecy, and I really cannot think of Lucius Malfoy, the Lestranges or the Ministry's executioner as people with a special interest in plants. So who sent it?
In the first book we learn that Mrs Sprout has some experiences with Devil's Snares, she used one to protect the Sourcerer's Stone, so I think it points out to her.
Now, I'm certainly not suggesting that Sprout is in fact a Death Eater, but she could still have acted under Imperatus, or maybe someone else stole the plant. Whichever way, if It's true, there must be a traitor in Hogwarts.
I know that this seems kinda far-fetched, but I think that so much emphasis was put on that murder that it simply has to be a hint. As with the polyjuice potion, JKR often introduces something that later on becomes very important...sorry for the long post! :oops:
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Postby Meg Boyd » Friday 2 January 2004 2:15:20am

hmmmm...I see what you mean, but infact I find it hard to believe that there is not one other person in DE that has Herboligy skills...hmmm...that is some food for thought, though good points
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Postby Mistress Siana » Friday 2 January 2004 2:25:14am

I just found it strange that the Devil's Snare was mentioned twice in such different contexts...it's like the talking snake, polyjuice etc gaining more importance in later books.
I didn't say there is no other DE with herbology skills, but apparently only a few of the higher ranking ones were informed about the plan to steal the prophecy. At least only those few confronted Harry in the ministry at the end of OoP, and I really cannot think of anyone of them as experts on plants.
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Postby choki » Thursday 8 January 2004 4:06:09pm

Well, Neville definitely didn't seem to be an expert in Herbology until...book 4 :???: I kinda forgot
Hermione reads a lot of magical books and knows about Devil's Snare, so perhaps one of the DE members are intelligent and read a lot of books...(don't you think a lot of them are very intelligent? eg. Lucius, Barty Jr etc)

I don't know about these but JKR like to surprise us...but Sprout being a spy...hmm she was so upset over Cedric's death...that's something a DE would never do
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Re: Proof: Sprout is evil!!!

Postby Mistress Siana » Sunday 11 January 2004 2:16:49am

Mistress Siana wrote:Now, I'm certainly not suggesting that Sprout is in fact a Death Eater, but she could still have acted under Imperatus, or maybe someone else stole the plant.


I quoted myself, hehe!! :P

It's true, some DEs ideed seem apt to read a book, though possibly not Crabbe and Goyle, :lol: (sorry, I'm feeling kinda sarcastiv today).
Seriously, Hermione knows a lot of think about Devil's Snare, and so certainly do some DEs, but that doesn't mean she could handle it and even put a cutting of it into a pot...
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NOT A CHANCE!!!

Postby Ferrus » Monday 19 January 2004 10:00:31pm

Sprout`s a goodie!! she wouldnt do that!!!

well, maybe but I don´t like to think about the concecuences (I not sure thats spelled right...). Still, the Imperius curse is a possibility but I reckon that som DE bought the cutting and then sent it (possibly on the black market).
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Postby Ginny Malfoy » Monday 19 January 2004 10:03:42pm

As I posted in my "Unresolved Mysteries" thread (in the Theories section), I think Lucius Malfoy and his "generous" donations to St. Mungo's have SOMETHING to do with the Longbottoms not recovering AND with the Devil's Snare getting in there. :eek: No one put the Imperius Curse on Neville did they, who visits there every week, did they? :o May not be the case...just a thought...
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Postby Meg Boyd » Tuesday 20 January 2004 12:02:59am

oooohhh...I like the fact that Lucius my be bribing the Hospital in order to have his way...ooohh...knowing him he is evil enough to bribe others to have things his way at Mungos...
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Postby Ferrus » Tuesday 20 January 2004 8:37:05pm

Well, Lucius is definetly evil enough, but it would be kinda strange if at St Mungo´s they recieved a grat sack of gold with the message:

kindly don`t treat the Longbottoms madness. Signed Lucius Malfoy. :grin: :grin:
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Postby Mistress Siana » Wednesday 21 January 2004 4:38:24pm

hehe...but I think he'll find a way more subtle than that.

But I wonder why he wouldn't want the Longbottoms to recover? Maybe there's something they could tell about him which he wouldn't want to be revealed. Wait...along with Barty Crouch jr and the Lestranges, wasn't there another DE at the trial that accused them of having tortured the Longbottoms? It was a man, but we've never been told his name. Maybe...Lucius? Or did I confuse anything?
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Postby Ginny Malfoy » Thursday 22 January 2004 1:26:10am

Mistress Siana wrote:hehe...but I think he'll find a way more subtle than that.

But I wonder why he wouldn't want the Longbottoms to recover? Maybe there's something they could tell about him which he wouldn't want to be revealed. Wait...along with Barty Crouch jr and the Lestranges, wasn't there another DE at the trial that accused them of having tortured the Longbottoms? It was a man, but we've never been told his name. Maybe...Lucius? Or did I confuse anything?


My guess is that Lucius doesn't want the Longbottoms to be able to give away details of the night they were tortured...possibly having to do with that fourth Death Eater that was on trial, or maybe something else the Longbottoms knew or realized. I think, for the same reason, Neville has been given a strong memory charm that, as a baby, has seriously ruined his memory. If Harry can remember Voldemort and his mother before his mother died and the flash of green light, it's possible Neville remembers something that, like his parents, someone desperately wants to cover up. Just my thoughts!
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Postby choki » Thursday 22 January 2004 9:53:37am

And to think of it, Lucius was sort of related to Bellatrix Lestrange. She was his wife's sister.
I am sure the Lestrange couple, Crouch Jr and Lucius Malfoy were the four people who tortured the Longbottoms.

Thinking of a DE working undercover in St. Mungo's really give me creeps.
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Postby Herminny » Thursday 22 January 2004 12:10:39pm

Maybe he just keeps them doped up with stuff. Or maybe he isn't interfering yet but if omething happens like they start to recover he can be in the position to stop that happening like the devils snare.

Just a thought
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Postby Ginny Malfoy » Thursday 22 January 2004 1:12:06pm

To get the thread back on Sprout :), it's possible that Sprout is (or will be) under the Imperius Curse by Lucius in order to put the Devil's Snare at St. Mungo's (or tell whoever put it there about the plant itself). Although, I would have thought someone would have caught on to that at Hogwarts if that were the case, but the fake Moody managed to slip in undetected. With all these curses and polyjuice potions and switching spells, who KNOWS who is who anymore? :o :lol:
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Postby Jotomicron » Thursday 22 January 2004 6:27:32pm

Just a little fact.

When the Daly Prophet announces that 13 DE have escaped, I think Harry sees McGonagall and Sprout talking. No, I don't remember the lines, but I remember I thought they were very concerned with the situation!

I don't know if this helps to sort out the mystery...
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