Lily's friends

[Athena Appleton]

This topic could go soooo off course, but I'll try it anyway

In a topic about harry possibly having a godmother, and who is she, we ask the question, "what about one of Lily's friends?"

That got me thinking....

I assume that Molly, since she has children quite a bit older than Harry, is a little older than Lily, but I don't think she's more than 7 years older than Lily... could they have been friends in school? They were both alumni of Gryffindor. Though most of Molly's children are older than Harry, she does still have Ron, who is the same age, and Ginny, who is younger.

Then there's Alice Longbottom. I assume she was in Gryffindor (Neville seemed to have a lot to live up to), and I would imagine Lily and Alice even closer in age. But we're never told if Frank and James were especially good friends, even though they were all in the Order together...

This is more of just an "I wonder...." topic, but any thoughts?

[Ferrus]

Well, Hagris expulsion was BEFORE Lilys times, but Molly says that the game-keeper in her times was called Ogg (GoF), so Molly must be older that Hagrid, who is older than Lily. No Lily-Molly friendship at school then.

Lily and Alice could have been friends, but there is no reason why, Alcie could be a few years older or younger that Lily.

[Athena Appleton]

Well, was Hagrid made gamekeeper as soon as he was expelled at the age of about 13? Harry, at a point when he thinks he's about to be thrown out of Hogwarts, that maybe they'd let him stay on as Hagrid's assistant or something... Maybe Hagrid wasn't a fully-trained gamekeeper then... *shrug*

But Hagrid's in his sixties (he was 13 years old fifty years before Harry was 12, so in Cos he was about 63, in PoA he was 64, in GoF he was 65 and in OotP he was 66)... which means that Molly about fifty when she had Ron... weird...

[Cruzio]

Well you can't really compare their ages to our "view" of old age... since we don't know how old wizards get in general (or do we? I might have missed it). All we know is that they live longer, and that dumbledore is 150 or something.

[Athena Appleton]

Well, you are right about that... we don't know about their average life span...

[Amon Rê]

I think it's feasible...I mean like I've stated before on other threads, we really know nothing of Lily, we know all about James through PoA and his friends that we've met...

It could also be that they were friends (the moms) because they all had wizard babies at about the same time...I mean I'm going on the fact that Voldemort didn't attack like the day after Harry was born...so I think it's feasible...

[Athena Appleton]

Question: why weren't the Weasleys in the Order before? Are they really in the Order now because everything now hinges on the fact that Ron, Hermione and Harry are in real danger?

When the original Order was around, they would have had children already, but does the fact that Ron and his best friend are right in the thick of it now make them have more of a tendency to want to actually fight against Voldemort now?

[Amon Rê]

I think they said they weren't in the order because they did have so many children and Arthur was just starting at the Ministry, not to sure though so don't hold me to it...I think they are just in it because 1. Arthur IS in the Ministry, and Molly definitely needs something to do since all of her children are now at Hogwarts :0

[Alice I]

I do believe that the Weasleys were in the origional Order. They were not mentioned in the photograph that Moody showed Harry in book five but when Voldemort first returned at the end of Goblit of Fire The book said:

The moment he (Fudge) had disapeared, Dumbledore turned to look at the group around Harry's bed. "There is work to be done," he said "Molly ... am I right in thinking that I can count on you and Arthur?"


I took that to mean that they were in the Order together and that maybe they left because of some reason not stated.

[Athena Appleton]

No, in OotP, when Mrs. Weasley is trying to fight the boggart, Lupin comforts her and says that she wasn't in the Order before, but things are much better this time around because last time they were so outnumbered.

That does make sense, I guess, about the reason they weren't in the Order being because they had so many small children at the time...

[Cruzio]

Agree with athena, quite sure none of the weasleys were in the order before.

[Aberforth]

The moment he (Fudge) had disapeared, Dumbledore turned to look at the group around Harry's bed. "There is work to be done," he said "Molly ... am I right in thinking that I can count on you and Arthur?"

I think DD said this becasue he had become close to Molly and Arthur since the first war. Arthur works at the Ministry and DD must spend quite a lot of time there, so it is likely that they would meet from time to time, plus Arthur is friends with Moody. Molly doesn't seem to be that powerful as a witch and perhaps there weren't that many Ministry people in the original order.

[pandora315]

Hagrid wasn't made gamkeeper right away, he was an apprentice. It says so in CoS. I'm sure Lily must have had friends, Alice Longbottom is a good bet because they had children at the same time. (Also I happen to think that James job was as an Auror and so were the Longbottoms, Frank anyway, so that would give them even more reason to be close.) But I still think Lily has a darker past and might have made friends with some of the more evil characters.

[Amon Rê]

Well, the only two evil women we know about (I'm excluding men for the moment because of the scene in the pensive when she was with a group of girls) are Narcissa, who I would doubt would hang out with Lily because of her muggle parents, and Bellatrix whom well yeah, we've seen where her loyalties lie...male wise, there's no telling because we've already seen how vain and demeaning James was in the OotP.

[Athena Appleton]

I refuse to believe the theory about Lily having a dark side, so I would definately see her being buddies with Alice...

Just a curiosity, do we know for sure Lily and James are in the same year? In the pensieve, we see him, the other marauders, and Snape doing OWLS, so we know they're all in 5th year, but we don't see her until afterwards, when they're outside... is it mentioned anywhere else that they left hogwarts at the same time?