Does DD really know everything?

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Postby Blaise Zabini » Friday 23 May 2003 2:40:18am

Good point, but I think that Dumbledore is level-headed enough to recognize his own mortality and fallability. I agree that it's a definite overstatement to call him infallible since thats a near impossibility given his own human nature.

Mistress Siana wrote:But remember, we're talking about an eleven years old boy that just found out he was a wizard. I think DD would be a fool to make such a set up...(but maybe that is why Snape treats Harry that way? Because he knows what Dumbledore is up to and strongly diapproves of it?)

But it's also Harry Potter. Naturally, Dumbledore knows a lot about Harry the he, himself, doesn't know. He probably acknowledges the fact that Harry has a great wizarding potential and that it's his duty, not Dumbledore's, to defeat Voldemort. Oh, and I really like the Snape idea!
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Postby Sacred Guardian » Friday 23 May 2003 3:14:59am

yes, it is obvious to me that harry will have to face voldemort, alone, with just his wand and wits, or maybe without who knows
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Postby Neo » Saturday 24 May 2003 5:13:43am

Definitely wizards that trust DD still must have to evaluate that they believe the same, it just seems that DD has the answer must times.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Saturday 24 May 2003 7:05:12am

Though I'm not a bit fan of the whold Heir of Griff hting, maybe it's true, and DD knows that it's Harry,a nd thus knows that eventually, it will be up to Harry to go head to head with Voldie, so it thus trying to prepare him for it by allowing things like in PS to happen... :-?
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Postby Mistress Siana » Sunday 25 May 2003 1:00:46pm

Okay, Harry Potter's Harry Potter, but a first year student with hardly any experience with magic nevertheless. I don't think DD would let him face Voldie that early, without any preparation. I mean, even if he'd been willing to run the risk of getting Harry in danger, he must have seen the consequences if Harry had failed, namely Voldemort getting the Sorcerer's Stone. I don't think he would have run the risk of endangering the whole wizarding world...
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Postby Holly Golightly » Sunday 25 May 2003 2:38:37pm

Okies then,so why did DD do stuff like giving him back the invisibility cloak, 'just incase', and teach him how the Mirror of Erised worked???

I think that harry was right at the end of PS, DD just wanted to give them a chance, and so instead of stopping them, he just taught them enough to help! :D
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Postby Mistress Siana » Sunday 25 May 2003 4:12:30pm

And that would underline my theory that DD is definately a threat. I mean, if he runs the risk of endangering the whole world just for an idea of his (namely the one that an 11 year old boy could face the most evil wizard that ever existed) he's a fool. Didn't he consider that he could be wrong? What IF he's wrong in one of the future books? Even the most respected wizard of the world can make a mistake, and if he does so, it will be a terrible one. And if your theory is true (and it seems quite plausible), I'm sure this will happen.
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Postby Holly Golightly » Sunday 25 May 2003 5:54:52pm

yeah, but you just know that Harry is not going to loose!!!

Either just because he's harry Potter, and the books are about him, or, fromteh storyline... it appears that Harry is definately a very powerful wizard... Yes, he still has a lot to learn and hte likes, but he has a lot of strength of power...

For example, Voldie is considered to be one of the most powerful wizards around, right? And, at the end og GoF, Harry's power overcame his. When he forced the beads of light towards Voldie's wand, he did infact overpower Voldie...

So basically, though not fully trained, be's still a very very powerful little wizard...

Maybe he's the only one with a change to beat Voldie...>? :-?
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Postby Blaise Zabini » Sunday 25 May 2003 6:49:38pm

Have we considered the option that Dumbledore has a bit of foresight of his own? And would, therefore, have been able to see that Harry would not fail. I mean, he's such a powerful guy already, maybe he does have the ability to see into the future and knows the way that things will play out (maybe not completely, but just a rough idea.)
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Postby Neo » Monday 26 May 2003 4:16:09am

that certainly culd be Zab, it seems DD has a lot of powers that usually wizards do not have (in the chapter of the erised mirror he mentions he can be invisible without a cloak).
and Voldemort in PS wasn't very powerful, he needed the body of quirrel, and in that time he couldn't touch Harry, and in the end of GoF Harry was better trained becuase of the Tri wizard tournament,a dn Voldemort had just recovered his body, he needed some practise to be the most powerful wizard again, no?
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Postby Holly Golightly » Monday 26 May 2003 7:25:42am

Neo wrote: (in the chapter of the erised mirror he mentions he can be invisible without a cloak).


I just assumed that what that mean was that DD was jsut standing in the back of the room, and since Harry's attention was totally focused upon the Mirror, he jsut didnt' notice him???

Neo wrote:a dn Voldemort had just recovered his body, he needed some practise to be the most powerful wizard again, no?


I'd guess no, but that's just my opinion...
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Postby Blaise Zabini » Tuesday 27 May 2003 1:35:36am

Maybe there really is a way to become invisible without the use of a cloack. There seems to be a solution for everything else in the wizarding world, it would make sense if there was. Perhaps an invisibility potion?
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Postby Mistress Siana » Friday 30 May 2003 1:14:13am

Holly, I think you didn't really get what I wanted to say...of course, Harry couldn't have lost, because he's the main character...but regardless of the outcome, it was foolish to be convinced he'd beat Voldemort.
And I don't think that DD has a kind of foresight...I mean, he'd really know everything then, and a person who knows everything would kill every plot!
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Postby Blaise Zabini » Saturday 31 May 2003 4:02:08am

I don't mean to the extent that he knows that Person X will be at location Y at Z o'clock, just that he has a kind of 'extended' perception of things. Whether it comes from his own magical aptitude or from information given to him by informants and what not, I think DD knows and understands a lot more of the past, present, and future than the average wizard.
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Postby Neo » Sunday 1 June 2003 6:19:00am

That seems obvious Zab, since everyone thinks DD is the most powerful wizard of the time.

And Mist, DD returned in time to save Harry, then de didn't risk his life
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