HP2 is such a shameless copy of LOTR2

[Luna_Puella]

First of all, LADY Snape is not a 'fellow'. The Lady should have given you a clue.

Second of all: Your advice would be very valid--if you followed it yourself, that is.

I can see that you want to experience the opposite side of the coin, but first you need to show courtesy to us--which you did not do in the first place. In your first post you immediately started to attack Rowing and her books-something that offended all of us here. If you could have calmly introduced yourself and expressed your opinion in a more gentile way, we would have been MUCH more receptive to what you have to say.

It seems to me that you are alternately trying to force your opinion on us, or make us somehow 'see' what you're saying and agree. The problem is--what you're saying in large amounts can be proven false.

Your examples of similarities between The Two Towers the The Chamber of Secrets are all expressing the common ideas of popular mythology--talking trees, things that fly, basilisks, whatever. They have all been used COUNTLESS times before Rowling.

You seemed to be puzzled as to why the books are so adamently loved. Let me try to clear it for you:
The Harry Potter books express throughly universal themes. Good vs. evil, love, friendship, loyalty. But they also give us all something else--something wonderful to relate to. Whether you dote on sports, are a clever student or a boy who has a horrible cousin, you can relate to them. Whoever you are--a ten-year-old in China, a twenty-year-old in Germany or a eighty-year-old in America, you are going to find something in them that reminds you...of YOU. And that is the connection.

Rowling has created something that has re-awakened the love of literature in America's youth--and you would accuse her of the henious act of plagiarism? I sounds to me that someone else wishes they could do what she did...I know of no other book that has ever awakened such a love in children. I admire it whole-heartedly. If she is guilty of the crime you accuse her of--why haven't any other books sold so many copies or have been adored by so many people? Clearly they should have if she copied off of them...

[JRRRowling]

I did not force my opinion on anybody. I merely stated it explicitly. You are free to disagree. That is the nature of stating an opinion. I see no reason to present it with roses if one is speaking to open-minded people.

As for Rowling having not read Tolkien - well that's just what she says, isn't it? I find it hard to believe any English author of repute to have not read probably the greatest English epic of the 20th century.

Let's see - a spider called "Aragog". Sounds a bit like "Balrog" and "Shelob" doesn't it? Tolkien was a linguist, which is why the names he gave to elves or creatures of Mordor followed consistent linguistic phonetics. To have Rowling give a name to a creature that clearly follows the SAME linguistic phonetics as the language of Mordor clearly shows she is a plagiarist, whether subconscious or not.

Clearly "Aragog" does not follow the same cutsie childish names she typically gives like "Voldemort" or "Dumbledore". Since Rowling is not an expert linguist like Tolkien, one obviously raises the brow when Rowling goes off on a tangent in her naming style. Her inconsistency is a sure sign of inconsistent talent, and is consistent with plagiarists who copy from different sources. True geniuses like Tolkien/Blyton were never "off kilter" when it came to their style because it was wholly their own. Simple logic!

[LadySnape]

GET OFF OF OUR BOARD!!!

[the-rabid-chocobo]

wow o.o

okay...there have always been talking trees in mythology, as well as elves and spiders. if you say j.k. is a copy cat then you must also accuse j.r. of being one as well. j.r. didn't create elves did he? did he create trees? did he create spiders? i don't think so....
just because some of the events are similar do not necassarily mean that they are ripped from one another now does it?

[Luna_Puella]

*fights to restrain Lady Snape before she jumps the Tolkien-Clone*

Tolkien-Clone:

I SAID you TRIED. You certainly didn't succeed on telling us anything.

[LadySnape]

*LOL* I wouldn't TOUCH Clone with a ten foot pole! What if I catch that "Bash Harry Potter & J.K Rowling" that he/she has! *LMAO*

The only thing you succeeded in telling us, Clone, is that you are a closed-minded moron with no imagination. You say Rowling is full of herself... well, maybe you are right, because you seem to be an expert on the subject.

[hermionegirl09]

hey, Paul has put too much time into this site for someone to cmoe along and say it sucks! i don't care iof yopu think i'm a juvenille kid because i'm only 12. uif you wanna talk about this stupid subject then do it on someone else's time. if you insult HP you insult all of us. i don't care if you had good intentions. i suggest you take my adice and leave or SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shadow]

Like Hermionegirl09 said, I don't care if you think I'm a juvenile. Like many others have said, you're wasting you're time. I really see no point in this. And like I said in another topic, If you accuse Rowling of being a plagerist, what about all the other people that use ME and orcs, and things like that? Aren't they plagerists too?

[Paul]

OK, it's after 4.00 at night/morning here, so what I write may not come out as well as I'd like, but I feel I should come in on this one. Firstly, Rowlingisatolkeinclone, please realise that your screen name itself is a little abrasive and a little offensive (at least that's just how I feel anyway). You've got the option in the profile settings to change it.

Secondly I've never read any of Tolkein's books, so call me unqualfied to comment if you like, but the direct connections you've made don't seem to me to be much more than any normal connections which would naturally occur in books of a similar genre. Take two science fiction books or movies from different authors/directors and you'll find certain comparisons with them too.

You seem to be <b>very</b> negative about JKR and I'm not surprised that some here have found the strength of that negativity, combined with the abrasive screenname to be very offensive. No, we're not part of JK Rowling's family but we've all found something very special in her books - all of us probably having found something slightly different, but yes something very inspiring. Personally I was extremely surprised when I first started reading the first HP book that I was actually very much enjoying what has been generally (and maybe a little unfairly in my opinion) classed as a "children's book" again (I'm 34 years old by the way). In JKR I've found an author who appeals equally to people from 8 years to 80, and writes in a way which doesn't look-down on her younger readers. She's been attacked by many people, from religious zealots (I'm not being negative about religion here, just the extremists who have attacked JKR) to those who have simply though her books a little too scary for younger children. She has, however, kept her integrity to the plots and characters, and has simply said to those who attack her books "if you don't like them, don't read them".

There is an understated and mature humour in the books, combined with intelligent plot twists and mystery. If you've seen any interviews with JKR, you'll see she genuinely cares about her readers, her characters and the movies which have been created from her books. The time taken to release book 5 is, in itself, a testament to this care. Rather than rush out the book, she has spent a months on the finishing touches, getting it right so that fans will not be dissapointed (and yes, she's risked the wrath/impatience of some readers in these delays).

Anyway, I've got to get some sleep.

[JRRRowling]

wow o.o

okay...there have always been talking trees in mythology, as well as elves and spiders. if you say j.k. is a copy cat then you must also accuse j.r. of being one as well. j.r. didn't create elves did he? did he create trees? did he create spiders? i don't think so....
just because some of the events are similar do not necassarily mean that they are ripped from one another now does it?

it's not the fact that Rowling uses spiders or talking trees - it's that they all happen to be in the second book, just like they all happen to be in the second LOTR book. Take any other comparable series - like Faraway Tree book 2, or Belgariad book 2, and you can clearly see that they don't all have the same "coincidences" as LOTR 2. It's a big stretch to believe that Rowling was not heavily influenced by Tolkien.

Paul: I respect your wishes, so this will be the last post I post under this alias. To be quite frank - whenever I engage in any conversation of this sort, I am quite open to persuasion. I'm a little disappointed that nobody could provide any compelling arguments to support that Rowling was not a plagiarist.

[Scellanis]

it's not the fact that Rowling uses spiders or talking trees - it's that they all happen to be in the second book, just like they all happen to be in the second LOTR book. Take any other comparable series - like Faraway Tree book 2, or Belgariad book 2, and you can clearly see that they don't all have the same "coincidences" as LOTR 2. It's a big stretch to believe that Rowling was not heavily influenced by Tolkien.

the whomping willow is introduced in book two because its a major part in the plot in book 3......its not important in book 2 and only makes an appearance once...the whomping willow DOES NOT TALK!!!
and as for trees in lotr book two ENTS R NOT TREES!!!! ents r tree-herds....treebeard says so himself...they only become trees if they go dormant....

get ur facts right before u accuse

[JRRRowling]

wrong semantics.. I guess what I mean by talking tree is "animated tree" or "living tree".. my bad.

[Scellanis]

i still maintain that ents r not trees even the ents say they rnt trees....

[LadySnape]

I'm a little disappointed that nobody could provide any compelling arguments to support that Rowling was not a plagiarist.

Did you ever look up "Plagiarism" in the dictionary? It says: "To steal and use the ideas or writings of another as one's own".

I DO have a reasonable argument. She is NOT a plagiarist, for you said she never even READ Tolkien's books, so where is your argument now? I believe that many authors were and still are influenced by Tolkien's works as many authors in the future will be influenced by Rowling's works. There is not a thing wrong with this. As a writer myself, I am influenced by books and authors that I thoroughly enjoy.

Things such as elves, centaurs, giant spiders and wizards all exist in the world of fantasy. They can be anything you want. For instance, in one series I read, centaurs are evil and the characters want nothing more than to be rid of them. Fantasy can be anything you want it to be. Rowling has simply taken things that have existed in fantasy for many decades and has added her own ideas to them. That's all.

And one more thing: If you hate Rowling so much, why do you insist on using that name in your handle? I personally don't think you should, because again, it is very insulting.

[Wedge]

I think you have a very weak argument... You're just trying to find something wrong with the film/book so you can say that Hp sucks... Elves, moving trees... their in basically ALL fantasy stuff you can come across! David Eddings, Raymod E Feist!