Dumbledore's death, a ruse? *theory discussion*

[Froggs]

[quote="Kalessin"]Some very vaild points have been made here. I am a hopeful fan that Dumbledore will be alive - the portrait could just be an enchantment of Dumbledore's, after all, he is one of the greatest wizards of the age quote]

And he is not "truly" gone when there are some left who are still loyal, like HP pointed out. So his spirit/power still reside at Hogwarts as long as some are still loyal to him. This may be why his death was a bit more dramatic.

[dibble2]

Perhaps HP can only do what he needs to do believing DD to be dead...so Snape and DD set this up, fooling Voldy...but hang on, would "faking" DD's death fool the unbreakable vow? Man, I want him to still be alive, but I have a sinking feeling that he is as dead as Sirius...who, I admit, I thought would come back in some way shape or form in this book...

Good point! If Dumbledore is alive, shouldn't Snape be dead? I guess the unbreakable vow could take a certain amount of time to activate, or maybe the bonder (Bellitrix) needs to find out, or maybe she died, which perhaps could release Snape, or maybe whoever said that to break the vow meant death (I think it was Ron) was wrong, and that person would just be cursed or something.

Anyway, I still think Dumbledore is dead, but I like to play devil's advocate.

[Stumpy]

i thought the oath only ment he had to protect Draco not to help him kill DD

[Lelie]

nope.. he promises last to "carry out the deed the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform" if it seems that he will fail. he definitely promised narcissa he'd do it. so, yes. if dd was alive, snape would be dead.

[Stumpy]

cheers didnt have to find that quote, could it just not be completed yet?

[Lelie]

i suppose so... but i doubt it. the unbreakable vow seems like pretty intense magic. although... there is a bit of a possible loophole. say dd is alive (hypothetically). technically, i suppose snape wouldn't have to be dead. see, malfoy may not have killed him, and snape might have not either, but who's to say what kind of time limit was on this task? maybe draco hasn't actually failed at it yet? seems far-fetched, but with jkr, you just never know.

[choki]

I, for one, refuse to believe the greatest wizard of all time can be so easily taken down after drinking a mysterious basin of fluid, a killing curse he can easily deflect and by a person he trusted despite others' thought.

Well, perhaps Snape was able to trick the DEs and Voldemort into thinking Dumbledore is dead for good and is able to lower Voldemort's guard.

As for the unbreakable vow, I believe it is a very strong magic otherwise Bellatrix won't allow her sister to trust Snape on the secret plan. But there might be a chance that the perception wins the reality. Now the whole world thinks that Dumbledore is dead and Snape had fulfilled the unbreakable vow in the eyes of Malfoy, his mother, his aunt. But maybe...once the 'truth' is let known, Snape's chance of survival is low.

[Froggs]

Okay, here it is, Snape weakly cursed DD, DD flew off the battlement, as he was falling he grabbed a time forwarder...he then went into the future, helped Harry find the Horcruxes and defeat Voldy, and then returned to the present, where he died upon impacting the earth...Sound far fetched? Yeah, I think so too, really folks, I think he's been rubbed out for good. But I trust JKR to have a plan, and I just hope that DD comes back, even if it's just through his portrait, for the last book.

[Snow_Crystal]

Here's a thought...

Lily died placing protection over Harry... what if DD wanted to die so he could place another type of protection over Harry that we haven't heard of yet?

[dibble2]

I'm almost positive the portrait will be in the next book. You can't just cut out such a great character from the last book. He'll probably be in some memories that Harry has to see, too.

[Fweegal]

Lily's protection was her dying to save him.

[Snow_Crystal]

Lily's protection was her dying to save him.

My exact point, your point being...?

[Fweegal]

It wasn't a conscious magical decision.
And DD didn't die to protect Harry.

[dibble2]

It wasn't a conscious magical decision.
And DD didn't die to protect Harry.

In a way, he died to protect Malfoy. I don't think it would count for protection though, because he wasn't saving him from death, he was saving him from killing.

[Violet]

Here's a thought...

Lily died placing protection over Harry... what if DD wanted to die so he could place another type of protection over Harry that we haven't heard of yet?

thats a good point actually, that would link in well with dumbledores strong emphasis on the importance of love, and him doing would show another person dying for the love of harry