Moaning Myrtle & Tom Riddle

[Snow_Crystal]

Funnily enough I was wondering about that. I wonder if she might turn out to be Ravenclaw or a Gryffindor descendant and could point HP in the direction of a horcrux??? More Straws please!!

[Mrs. Luca Black]

does it ever say what house myrtle was in? i'm assuming not slytherin as she was apparently muggle born.

Get out of my brain. I was wondering this same thing an hour ago while I was painting.

She doesn't seem at all brave, so I really doubt Gryffindor.

She also doesn't seem to be all that incredibly bright, but this could be attributed to the fact that she died so young, so I'm doubting Ravenclaw as well.

That leaves only Hufflepuff, and I guess it sort of fits. I don't want her in Hufflepuff though because I really like Hufflepuffs and I find Myrtle annoying.

[Snow_Crystal]

Just looked on the BaO main page for those definitions of each house...

Gryffindor - Here dwell the brave at heart Gryffindors with their daring nerve and chivalry.
Hufflepuff - Patient Hufflepuffs are just and loyal, true and unafraid of toil. Meet fellow Hufflepuffs here.
Ravenclaw - In wise old Ravenclaw if you've a ready mind, wit and learning, you'll always find your kind here.
Slytherin - Those cunning folks at Slytherin use any means to achieve their ends. Slytherin House members will make real friends here.

I reckon she'll either be Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw. Wizards become ghosts because they are afraid of death - so that kind of rules out Gryff for me and I can't imagine a muggle making it to Slytherin. We haven't really heard about Ravenclaw ghosts much (or at least if Myrtle turns out to be Ravenclaw we've never made the connection) so I reckon that is the most likely. She's young to be sure, naive but we don't know how bright she is. It will be either be Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw

[Ginny Potter]

Just looked on the BaO main page for those definitions of each house...

Gryffindor - Here dwell the brave at heart Gryffindors with their daring nerve and chivalry.
Hufflepuff - Patient Hufflepuffs are just and loyal, true and unafraid of toil. Meet fellow Hufflepuffs here.
Ravenclaw - In wise old Ravenclaw if you've a ready mind, wit and learning, you'll always find your kind here.
Slytherin - Those cunning folks at Slytherin use any means to achieve their ends. Slytherin House members will make real friends here.

I reckon she'll either be Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw. Wizards become ghosts because they are afraid of death - so that kind of rules out Gryff for me and I can't imagine a muggle making it to Slytherin. We haven't really heard about Ravenclaw ghosts much (or at least if Myrtle turns out to be Ravenclaw we've never made the connection) so I reckon that is the most likely. She's young to be sure, naive but we don't know how bright she is. It will be either be Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw

But if ghosts are afraid of death (which I remember reading in book 5) and thus not brave ergo not in Gryffindor, how is it that Nearly-Headless Nick was a Gryffindor, assuming he was because he's Gryffindor's ghost? Maybe he isn't in Gryffindor after all, but if he is, then fearing "moving to the next plane" wouldn't automatically place someone out of Gryffindor. And, if that's the case, maybe Myrtle was in Gryffindor? Just a possibility.

[SunsetG|rl]

there has to be a ghost for each house. and i don't think it is a problem of fear to move into the next life. i think it's a problem of choice. maybe he just like it so much ...the living world i mean.
and myrtle...she just can't be in gryffendors. she was too...afraid of her own self. couldn't she had been a slytherin? i wonder. "Those cunning folks at Slytherin use any means to achieve their ends." she remaind as a ghost to achieve her purpose, to make him pay for hurting her(oliver hornby). that sounds pretty mean to me. and i think she is self centered. she actually asked harry to stay with her if he dies, so she wouldn't be lonely. she also sounds hypocrite.(or the voices she puts on are just personality malfunctions?)

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Wasn't Draco the only one that referenced the girl dieing being a Muggle born?

It could have been dramaticised to help with the whole point of the story.

Maybe she really comes from a long line of pure bloods, but everyone was all "Oh no, she must be a muggle born to have been killed by the basilisk."

I still vote Hufflepuff, though it still pains me to see someone so annoying in that house. (I respect Hufflepuffs probably more than anyone else because being a hardworker is a very good quality that I don't seem to have.)

[Snow_Crystal]

Yeah Good point Ginny - can't believe I forgot about NHN! She could be any out of the Gryff, Rav or Huff. I still don't think she's a Gryff though - character doesn't come across that way.

[SunsetG|rl]

hmm...i forgot about the mudblood thing... well she probably wasn't a slytherin...though there seem to have been half-bloods in slytherin (LV, snape...) why couldn't have been muggle borns in slytherin?

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Salazar Slytherin hated muggle borns. By putting his brains into the hat, he would have made sure that was on characteristic of anyone going into his house. Also, if a muggle born walked in there saying, "Hey, I'm a Slytherin," he'd be murdered by the little gits like Malfoy.

I think that half bloods scrape by because they at least have some ancestry in it. It might also have to do with the strength of the lineage on the pure blood side. (Riddle is Slytherin's only heir and I believe that Snape comes from a pretty strong wizarding family from the Princes. I don't know why, but I do.)

[Snow_Crystal]

It went against Slytherin's view to have muggle-borns but he was also hungry for the most talented wizards - which is why I'm guessing some half-bloods made it in??

[Enchanter]

I don't know if the hat would keep out "mudbloods". I think it would let one in if they wanted to be in Slytherin. I think the hat lets you choose were you want to go and only picks for you if you can't decide. I just don't believe any "mudbloods" would want to go to Slytherin.

[Mrs. Luca Black]

I believe it is specifically mentioned that the sorting hat chooses by characteristics that the founders favored, not which you want. The hat's songs further this by listing off the characteristics and criteria necessary to belong to a house. It'd be foolish to let 11 year old choose their own house. I'd have trouble deciding what house would be best for me at 17. (I'm really glad I chose Gryffindor here, because my Gryffindor's rock!)

There's a lot more to the hat than most people realize. I mean it's choosing the houses while also keeping the houses even, which makes it even more apparent that it's all magic, I mean oy...

[Enchanter]

Harry didn't want to be in Slytherin because he [i]chose[/i] not to be there the Sorting Hat didn't place him there. I still think that the hat places people where they want to go.

[Mrs. Luca Black]

Harry came from a family of Gryffindors, but he had a trace amount of Slytherin in him from the backfired curse.

Also, choosing not to be in a house is different than choosing to be in a house. You won't be an attribute to a house if you don't want to be there. But you can't be as dumb as a troll, but want to be in Ravenclaw and therefore make it into Ravenclaw. Or be a complete coward and make it into Gryffindor, etc, etc.

[Enchanter]

Peter Petigrew made it into Gryffindor and he isn't exactly the bravest.