For Those Of Us Still In Denial Over Dumbledore

[laurelin]

Returning to the original point of 'being in denial' about DD - when I first read it, I was too. I kept thinking 'was it fake killing curse'?? etc etc. However, DDs portrait in the office, and Fawkes flying away, sealed it for me. I don't think there's anyway he could be alive, and, much as I cried at his death, I hoep he isn't, because that would be faaar too cheesey. Besides, Harry has to kinda 'go it alone' now.

However, we haven't seen much of DDs brother lately... he was in the original Order of Pheonix, so it seems odd that he wouldn't be doing anything this time around... Perhaps not a true replacement for DD, but someone to partially fill the role for the last installment?

[Chimera]

Nah, I don't reckon Aberforth would join the Hogwarts crew, for one thing Albus reckons Aberforths literacy is dubious.

[Nicolas Flamel]

just to say that his name translates as "standard forest"..............don't know how that has significance..................but it might......................although i can't see it.........................

btw DD could easily have survived that fall if Fawkes was to cry on him, which he did!

DD can't be dead, how could HP be right about something (trustworthiness of Snape) and DD be wrong?

[Chimera]

Fawkes can heal but he can't restore the dead. If AK didn't kill him the fall would have. And who says Dumbledore was killed against his will?

[SunsetG|rl]

Ok but what about the curse. How could have he survived the curse?

[Asphodel]

Yeah, there's no way around it. DD's not invincible, in response to another post, I don't think DD was "wrong" in any way. I believe DD was killed on his own will.

[SunsetG|rl]

I somehow doubt he could have gotten out of the situation. He trully was a great wizard. But he wasn't God. He was week since the fight with LV, he was weakend by the potion in the cave and the ring. This horcrux hunt seemed to have put him down. And he was without a wand in hand. And no one (but Harry...but that already is another thing) survived the AK curse. No matter how talented or wise.

[Asphodel]

I'm going to go out there and point-blanc say that no one can survive a properly casted AK curse. Harry was just saved bacause of love-magic. DD did not survive.

[Nicolas Flamel]

but it might not be a proper AK curse, there was alot of emphasis on non-vble spells throughout the book and also, in book5, bellatrix told Harry he had to really mean an unforgivable to work before it would. Snape could have said Avada Kedavra but actually been thinking smth else, smth that would hurl DD over the battlements with a flash of green light. And also in what other AK has the subject been thrown up and backwards, if we look at Frank we see him simply crumple to the floor, although this could be because DD is a powerful wizard, i don't think so.
sorry if this has already been said

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

His portrait his up. He's dead. Can we move on?

And, Asphodel, that's a bit contradictory what you said .

I'm going to go out there and point-blanc say that no one can survive a properly casted AK curse. Harry was just saved bacause of love-magic. DD did not survive.

Does Harry just not count as a person then? Or that Voldemort didn't cast it properly (fat chance, I'd say he was pretty good at it by then.)

It is evident, yes, that there is no official counter-curse for Avada Kedavra, but after 6 books of watching a character justly named "The Boy Who Lived", I would have though that, maybe, we could have come to the conclusion that it might somehow be possible to survive.

Because it's happened. There is no official counter-curse, but it's happened, so you can't say it's impossible.

[Couldn't resist saying it, even though I know what you meant ]

But Dumbledore is dead... come on. Move on.
We should be dicussing why he died.

As as for the non-verbal being cast at the same time as the Avada Kedavra by Snape, I rather think that two spells can't be cast at the same time, and he would have had to concentrate quite hard for Avada Kedavra, leaving the other one in the background. Woldn't have happened, in my opinion. Couldn't.

[Asphodel]

I agree with Phoenix. What I meant was, love-magic is the only thing that can counter a AK curse- that we know of.

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

Yeah I know what you meant...

Just couldn't resist being blunt .. I love people disagreeing with me, makes it all the sweeter when there's an issue that comes up.

Hmm, does anybody else think Dumbledore's alive? *puts boxing gloves on and steps into ring.. come on, come on*

[Chimera]

The whole idea behind the double cast is that it was just one spell - some minor jinx. It would take concentration to cast avada kedavra but not to merely say it.


I don't think this is what happened, just saying.

[Asphodel]

But the green light looked exactly like when LV cast it... and plus DD looked like he wanted to die.

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

You don't think that a gang of what, 5 or 6 Death Eaters (?), a watching Harry that has seen AK being performed, and Malfoy, wouldn't have been able to tell the difference between:

Avada Kedavra, the most powerful Unforgivable, treacherous, killing curse on the planet.

And a minor jinx that might give off a few green sparks?

And it's hard to say one think and think another at exactly the same time. Try it, it's rather hard.
Say "Avada Kedavra" and as you're doing it, cast... I don't know, a patronus.

Rather hard to do at exactly the same time, don't you think?