the conspiracy

[sorcerer83]

i sat at dinner alone - so i had a lot of time to think for myself.
i thought of something i wrote here about a remote possibility of romulus lupin being rab and then suddenly i thought maybe rab is lupin and that turned to maybe lupin is bad and i started thinking of reasons and arguments why hes bad...
then i thought - wow thats a great idea why not make a thread where people invent conspiracy theories - why some things happened or why somebody is actually evil (hermionee, lily, nearly headless nick...) -
either just for laughs, or if they really think its true (which of course will be even funnier) btw i dont really think lupin is bad
so any1 with a crazy conspiracy theory please write it down here, ill deploy my lupin theory if no1 else writes but really its not that good i just think it could be a great idea

[Mistress Siana]

Oh, conspiracies, a hobby of mine! So...

Sprout is evil. Remember the ministry official that was killed by Death Eaters while lying in St. Mungo's? He was strangled by a Devil's Snare, the plant that Sprout used in PS/SS. It's hard to breed, it obviously needs a specialist to pot one and prepare it that effectively.

Madame Rosmerta. Years ago, there was the theory that she would turn out to be a Death Eater. Reason: there was a pretty detailed description of her shoes, and that would be importanat since shoes are the only thing you can see below the Death Eaters' robes. And now, I have a very hard time believing that Draco managed to keep her under Imperius all throughout book 6? No way. She evil, I tell you.

Just as Mrs Weasley said, it's highly unlikely that all the Weasleys will survive the war, especially considering u-no-poo and the like. And if they do, somebody made a pact with Voldemort... I can just imagine the situation...safety for the family for inside information into the Order or something. Pretty far-fetched, but hey, it's a guess. :)

[sorcerer83]

yay someone liked my topic!! you surprised me siana - i thought of several unlikely charachters that people will naybe write about, but i really didnt think of sprout, very interesting... shes a very good choice i suppose cuz we dont know much about her but we naturally assume shes good cuz sehs very nice and in hufflepuff but shes also quite descret - gives the impression of a bit of a loner...

[Mistress Siana]

Hehe, I think I've come up with theories on about every character so far, making them evil. I'm just too sure somebody Harry trusts will betray their side. You know, sorcerer83, Lupin intrigues me, because he's the big exception. I can't come up with a single halfway serious idea why he would be evil. I'd really like to know your theory, care expand on it?

[sorcerer83]

well i never said it was even halfway serious but ok:

what occured to me is that lupin has some moments when he suddenly completely changes his mind...
i didnt check the book (as it is really not a very invested theory) but as i remember it in book 3 lupin was all along against serious - saying that hes dangerous and all that, and thinking about it retrospectivly - he could have shown at least a little more doubt about all the accusations - being such a good friend of serious... then in the scene inside the shrieking hut, he suddenly believes serious quite instantly (and think how new this idea must be and how it should change everything he thought of by now) and turns against wormtail - which he does cuz he probably doesnt really like him and he doesnt know that he is about to go find vold (even if he does know that he is bad) i mean he does that just to keep his cover and to go with what seems at the moment the simplest explanation...
also in hbp in the christmas chap he tells harry that he completely trusts dd and therefore completely trusts snape (which as it is could be a bit strange cuz hes supposed to hate him) but then after dd is killed and he hears harrys explanation he immediately says that snape is bad and they should have seen it much earlier... so i think (well not really but in this theory) that he is bad but he thought snape is also bad then when he heard harrys description he realized that snape is apparently good (which he is of course) he decided that he should not allow harry to discover it so he assured him that snape is bad... thats it mostly...
but really i dont doubt that its wrong and i trust lupin completely also it would be a great shame if its true cuz then its like ron or hagrid or mrs weasley turning out to be evil - i mean you can say about every1 'oh yeah theyve been bad they just acted along...' but i think it has to have some basis - like with quirl and wormtail and serious turning good

[Mistress Siana]

Hm, I think any doubts about Lupin have a bit of a basis, though. In the Shrieking Shack scene in PoA, Sirius confesses that they didn't tell Lupin about switching the Secret Keeper because they suspected him to be the traitor. We haven't been given a reason for their mistrust, and I'd most definitely like to know why.

But you're right, I just can't see him betraying the Order. Not him. But in the unlikely even that he does, I don't think it would be because he's plain evil or something. The thing is that the Wizarding society treats werewolves like a bag of dirt whereas Voldemort promises them equality, so his reasons might be justified...still...no, not Lupin, I hope.

What about Slughorn? Voldemort wants him, as we've seen, and Slughorn knows what his plans are and how unlikely it is for Harry to defeat him.

Or...McGonagall. She knew surprisingly little about DD's plans, and Harry, too, refuses to answer her in HBP. Reason?

Hagrid? I suppose the Ministry will start a hunt on giants once the fightings really start. I mean, what's the reason for Grawp? Has he served any purpose yet? Will Hagrid maybe put his loyality for his brother over his loyality to the Order?

All pretty unlikely, I'd say, but I thought I'd mention.

[sorcerer83]

first you are making it too serious i ment it to be a thread for people to post mostly crazy things for crazy reasons for laughs, but ok ill go along:
lupin -

in the unlikely even that he does, I don't think it would be because he's plain evil or something. The thing is that the Wizarding society treats werewolves like a bag of dirt whereas Voldemort promises them equality, so his reasons might be justified...

i agree that even if hes bad hes not plain evil but i dont think hell turn sides becuz vold promises him and the werewolves more, its got to be something more sophisticated like hes depressed and doesnt believe in happiness and love, yeah and thats why he didnt want to be with tonks of course - wow its so easy to make this things up!
besides vold maybe promises them equality though i doubt that too but certainly it wont really be like that - with vold in power (i mean completely in control of the wizarding community) there will be no such thing as equality between any1 to any1, there will be vold on top and below him his most loyals going down like a pyramid to his least loyals - i think lupin is smart enough to know that.

i started writing answers about all the others you mentioned but then i thought - wait this is the conspiracy thread not the suggestions for conspiracies and nirs (weird for me to say sorcerer83) answers why those conspircies cant be true... if you want i can pm you my oppinions on your ideas but its probably nothing new

[Mistress Siana]

Oops, ok, nothing too serious then. Will make up for it...voila, les evils:

Hedwig. Animagus Death Eater? She's close to Harry, knows all the info, perfect traitor. Duh. Honestly though...since Ron's rat turned out to be evil, is any theory too far-fetched?

Stubby Boardman. He'll play a role, I'm sure...

Grindelwald is still alive. He switched bodies with...Quirrell. Bad luck for him. No, really, he's still out there, biding his time. Somewhere...

Albus Dumbledore was in fact Aberforth, and Aberforth is Albus. Why? No idea, you make something out of that.

Snape and Trelawney are a secret couple, the Bonny and Clyde of the wizarding world. That's why he came in 'unexpected' when she made the prophecy...ahem. She foresees the future, he sells the information, and when the real fights begin, they escape to Mexico. Yeay! I love the idea.

[annachie]

Oops, ok, nothing too serious then. Will make up for it...voila, les evils:

Hedwig. Animagus Death Eater? She's close to Harry, knows all the info, perfect traitor. Duh. Honestly though...since Ron's rat turned out to be evil, is any theory too far-fetched?

I don't know about Hedwig, but I have had my doubts about Crookshanks.
Didn't Sirrious say that Crookshanks was a most remarkable cat?

Albus Dumbledore was in fact Aberforth, and Aberforth is Albus. Why? No idea, you make something out of that.

cough clone cough

[Q.Araignee]

Crookshanks is half-kneazle, half-domesticated cat. I'm sure I read on Jk's site, or the Leaky Cauldron, or the HP Lexicon. So definately not a Death Eater or an Animagus. (I'll try and find the quote)

[carsten]

Crookshanks is half-kneazle, half-domesticated cat. I'm sure I read on Jk's site, or the Leaky Cauldron, or the HP Lexicon. So definately not a Death Eater or an Animagus. (I'll try and find the quote)

Is that mutually exclusive? Couldn't it be a half-half and a Death Eater, too? At least a Death Eater's kitten?