Pettigrew's Debt

[Run Away!!!]

Now this thread is just major confuddling!
What I think and know is this, and I will say it very simply for my sake and others.:
1. The fidelious charm was cast on Godric's Hollow, noone can find it apart from the Potters and the secret keeper (pettigrew).
2. Pettigrew betrays the Potters and reveals the location to LV who comes and murders harry's parents and so forth and so on.
3. Hagrid then comes to Godric's Hollow and gets Harry. Which obviously means that when the secret was revealed the charm became void, and that is why hagrid managed to get there. Not because of some over-thought up, round about reason but simply because it is void.

Sorry if thats already been said, but it is extremely hard to follow this!

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

Yep, that seems to wrap it up for me too.

But... the secret of the location/HQ of the OoTP was broken to Harry and others - yet that isn't void.

An option is that Dumbledore used his immense power to modify the charm slightly, so revealing it to people he wanted to didn't make the charm completely void.

It would be like him to bend the rules.

[FawkesthePhoenix]

Then what's the point of the Fidelius Charm, if it doesn't affect everyone except the Secret Keeper and the Casters?

Voldemort could just break someone that knows naturally, if it didn't affect them.

nope. it said somewhere in one of the books that people who know naturally cannot tell anyone. if anyone but the secret-keeper told V, then he could go and press his face up against the glass of their livingroom window and he still wouldn't be able to see them.

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

it said somewhere in one of the books that people who know naturally cannot tell anyone. if anyone but the secret-keeper told V, then he could go and press his face up against the glass of their livingroom window and he still wouldn't be able to see them.

Contradicted yourself.... anyone but the Secret-Keeper couldn't tell LV anything. So second line is impossible.

And that was my point, before. It does affect them. You just stated what I meant. I was pointing out the flaw in the other theory... You're quite right.

[FawkesthePhoenix]

wait, i did? *sighs* sometimes i get lost in my brain and do that.

i think peter will pay harry back by distracting V for just a moment in the final battle and harry will be able to use that moment to finish V off.

[carsten]

Honestly, I have no clue how Harry can find the house. Concerning Hagrid and Sirius: They were friends and should have known where the others live. More important: I think I remember that a flock of muggles were killed during LV's attack on the Potters. So the whole incident might have happened outside, which would make it much easier to explain Hagrid's and Sirius's presence.

[Run Away!!!]

Well Harry can obviously find Godric's Hollow by asking somebody like Hagrid for directions.

[Simatra]

^She means that if the charm was broken that'd be true!

[Run Away!!!]

yes, I assume it has been broken because otherwise hagrid never would have found it. And so if harry didn't know where it was all we would have to do is ask.

[Eol]

I don't think harry is going to the house, he's going to the graveyard. He shouldn't be able to see the house at all, if Pettigrew has told nobody else.

[Simatra]

Well EVERYONE knows that it's in Godric's Hollow, so that makes me think that the spell is gone.

[Phoenix in the Ashes]

I don't think harry is going to the house, he's going to the graveyard. He shouldn't be able to see the house at all, if Pettigrew has told nobody else.

The spell is already broken for Harry. He lived in the place, remember. Whilst the spell was on it, and everything.

But then, how could Hagrid find Harry? No spell needs to be broken. He knows where it is. The spell just restricts everyone but the Secret Keeper telling it to someone.

It doesn't stop them knowing, for instance, if they already knew.

[Eol]

But then, how could Hagrid find Harry? No spell needs to be broken. He knows where it is. The spell just restricts everyone but the Secret Keeper telling it to someone.

It doesn't stop them knowing, for instance, if they already knew.

Excellent point Phoenix, that ties together all the loose ends very neatly. Lol I think you've ended the debate

[Snow_Crystal]

But then, how could Hagrid find Harry? No spell needs to be broken. He knows where it is. The spell just restricts everyone but the Secret Keeper telling it to someone.

Sorry just to come back to this point and apologies I haven't got time to read the whole thread again. How did Hagrid find Harry? Hagrid didn't already know surely. And apparently Sirius was ready to go round there too. Harry already knew but he is bound by the charm. Which also means he must go to Godrics Hollow alone if this is the case...

[Snow_Crystal]

Sorry to double-post! The reason I think Hagrid and Sirius didn't know is because she said, they went into hiding at GH and the whole purpose of having a SK is to hide a secret. There's no point staying where you normally live if there are people who know where you live! You'd have to move location. It came across to me that Sirius did not know where they lived and didn't want to and that's why they switched in the first place - they thought he would be an obvious target and they thought no-one would ever dream it would be wormtail.

I hope I make sense!