War of the House elves

[Boycey]

After reading a something yesterday and remembering that harry will meet a venomous disgruntled house elf in book five it got me thinking, one of voldemorts greatest allies could be house elves that have been deserted by the familys, and let me explain why.

1. house elves will do anything to work, so what im saying is that someone bad could come along to an house elf that has been dumped by there masters, that house elf will jump for the chance to work for them.
2. they are loyal, look at dobby with the malfoys, yes he kinda disobeyed the malfoys, but its not like he gave to much away. Also look at winky, she knew crouch jr. was bad but still wanted to protect him.
3. They can be manipulated, They would do things that they wound'nt normally do plus if told to do something bad they would do it or keep a bad secret I think that they would keep it, and never tell, even if tourtured. I think that dobby was an exception, but look at winky, what I call a sterotypical house elf, look at all the things and secrets she kept for the crouches, and even when not working for them they still was safe with her.
4. they have strong magic, I think that house elfs are more powerful then we take for granted, and that if told to attack they would be very difficult to defeat.
5. They can get into hogwarts ground. well we know that Voldemort would'nt go anywhere near that school while dumbledore is there, and I also think he could'nt get into the grounds even if he tried, but in my opinion he needs a phineox in the next book, so as we know that house elves can get into the grounds of hogwarts as dobby did in book 2 (personally I don't think house elves can apparate, but have got magic to get into hogwarts), an house elve is a good tool to have for that job.
6. They to voldemort are expendable, he could use one, gets killed and he has'nt lost anything, as to him an house elf would mean nothing. So in theory he could just send in house elfs to kill dumbledore or harry when they are a sleep, and if they fail, he could just do it again with the next house elf dumped by there masters.

So after all this I think that voldemort will use them, and as harry has to deal with a venomous disgruntled house elf, I think that voldemort has already thought of the idea.

Forget Star wars episode two attack of the clones,
its HARRY POTTER, EPISODE SIX ATTACK OF THE HOUSE ELVES.

(Okay I dont think they will be going in droves over the grounds of hogwarts like a full scale war, but i do think he will use them)

[Violet]

that's actually not a bad theory - however although they are loyal, i think that they are good at heart - as shown with Dobby. although he had an evil master, he still tried to save harry.
And there are creatures who seem to be associated with the dark side, such the dementors, and the house elves arent. i think that if dumbledore thought that they would work for voldermort he would not have them working in the school!

[Wedge]

Thats quite a cool theory!

lmao. Sorry, i know House Elves are meant to be powerful, n'all, but i think it would be quite funny seeing them in massive battles :/ :p

It'd be sort of like that Yoda battle scene in 'star wars: attack of the clones'

[Neo]

lol, that would be coll.

But I thought that it would be the other way around, maybe D will find the way to have house elves side with him (it seems all house elves hate Voldemort, at least Dobby says that to Harry)

[Scellanis]

my sister was saying to me yesterday that she doesnt beleive house elves could do it....she thinks the vast majority of them would be too afraid of war (in the way that winky is afraid of heights) and therefore be of no use. On the other hand she came up with a great theory on how they could be spies.

they are loyal to their master so if they get caught they will never reveal who they were working for. They can disapear, they are small (weve already seen dobby spying on the teachers to help harry with the second task) and also everyone expects house elves to be sneaking around the house trying not to be seen cos its what they are meant to do. Also they are in the perfect position to poison people.

(mes posting this cos i know snuffles wont)

[Lizzy Bennet]

I like your sense of humor and find your theory interesting, Boycey.

Certainly, Winky was willing to protect the Crouch's and their secrets . . . she was very loyal to her masters, even though her blowing the whistle on them, as Dobby tried to on the Malfoys, might have spared a great deal of pain for all.

I don't think, on their own, house-elves would commit evil acts . . . could they be used by evil, 'death-eater' masters to do bad things? It's entirely possible. There are lots of house-elves in Hogwarts, and yes, DD probably would not have them there if he didn't feel he could trust them, but then, he *isn't* an evil master. He has no reason nor would he ever ask them to do things or cover up things of a evil nature.

That in mind, unlike the dementors who would most likely gladly serve Voldemort, as he could give them great *fulfillment*, the house-elves aren't inherently evil. But I do believe they *could* be manipulated by those masters of house-elves that are.

The house-elves, as evidenced by Dobby and Winky, are privvy to all sorts of information that, if known in advance, could head off a good number of bad things happening. However, the very nature of house-elves is that they are loyal, and the punishment they could face for being unloyal could be quite brutal. I wonder if Dobby isn't going to *pay* for his indiscretions later down the road . . .

[Wedge]

Yes! spying would make the perfect occupation for the house elves! Thats a great theory... I think Dobby should be enslaved to Harry, though :p

[Neo]

Fred, George, and Ron seemed to believe that maybe Dobby was sent to stop Harry from going to school (not doing it, on his own will), so it seems possible that Houes Elves are used that way.

[han lin]

i thihk house elves would be fantastic spys. good idea.
not many of them seem to have their own free will.
loyalty could be their downfall

[Neo]

I think they are over 200 house elves in Hogwarts, no?
Maybe DD has them to use them in a war against Voldemrt, I mean if they work at Hogwarts their master is him, no?

[Holly Golightly]

Neo, shocking agian I know, but I agree with you!

I do think that the house elves will becoma a part of the war a such, but that they will be fighting on DD's side... after all, Voldie gets the dementors, and the giants will prob spit and some go either way... after this, DD's side is definately the underdogs... they need someone... why not the house elves?

And maybe house elves (due to their lack of personal desires) cannot be made to feel unhappy be the dementors... after all, house-elves shouldnt' be feeling sad when there are masters to be served... (cant' find the exact quote damn it!!!)

[Boycey]

I do think that the house elves will becoma a part of the war a such, but that they will be fighting on DD's side... after all, Voldie gets the dementors, and the giants will prob spit and some go either way... after this, DD's side is definately the underdogs... they need someone... why not the house elves?

I have to disagree with you there holy godlightly, which seems to be a rareity, as everytime I come to reply to a post it seems i would just agree and write the same post as I would so I dont bother. I know this is my thread and all, but I can't ever see dumbledore using house elves on voldemort, he would know the risk he would put on them and not use them for that reason, voldemort however would, he would not care, and as I said as harry has to deal with a discruntled venomous house elf, I think voldemort has already used the idea, and as someone said house elfs would make great spys, and assasins somthing dementors and giants would not. Yes there can't be many house elfs that have no jobs, and the ones with sense would work at hogwarts, but i do bealive that a house elf with no home could be munipulated into working for voldemort.

[Holly Golightly]

Okies, but presumably, in the end, Voldie will loose... so Harry and DD will be needing some people/species/whatever to be fightin on his side, right???

So if not the house elves, who do you think that it might be???

*hrmm, am I leading this thread off topic....? whoops! *

[Neo]

If a war occurs, DD won't hesitate in using all the help he can; and I'm sure he wouldn't force the H.E.; but Dobby said that all HE really hated Voldemort and the tinme they had when he was really powerful, so maybe a HE like Dobby can organize the HE to fight with DD against The Dark Lord.

[Holly Golightly]

That's right... he said that they were treated really bad... so they might help fight to prevent it from happening again!

But they most peobably wouldnt listent o Dobby.. maybe DD or Harry will convince them???