The Veil

[werebane]

What exactly is the veil?? i mean is it like a gateway to the dead?? and did Sirius die b/c of the curse or is there something behind there??

[Lunatech]

The Veil Room is suspected to be the gateway of some sorts. The Department of Mysteries (and Unspeakables) all work with the portal. Nearly Headless Nick made this very important point with Harry.

They didn't develop it too much...obviously it's meant for later on the story. This is probably the most intruiging subject in Book 5. The veil isn't so much as the mystery.

The real mystery is, How did Luna know about it. What can we infer from this? First of Luna knows about Death, the room, she knew what was inside it. Only Harry was the other person that shared Luna's ability to sense the presense that was residing in that room.

So how does she know?!

I'm guessing Luna's Mother is an "Unspeakable" for the Department of Mysteries. They gave sublte clues that her mother was a very gifted witch who died from an accident.

It's vague and can't be proven, but seems to be the most logical explanation for everything.

[Lizzy Bennet]

The real mystery is, How did Luna know about it. What can we infer from this? First of Luna knows about Death, the room, she knew what was inside it. Only Harry was the other person that shared Luna's ability to sense the presense that was residing in that room.

So how does she know?!

I'm guessing Luna's Mother is an "Unspeakable" for the Department of Mysteries. They gave sublte clues that her mother was a very gifted witch who died from an accident.

It's vague and can't be proven, but seems to be the most logical explanation for everything.

I really like your posts, Lunatech. What forum did you come from, did you say?

On topic, I wonder if the 'accident' was that her mother fell through the veil somehow and thus died. What do you think? I wonder if going through the veil kills you or if it simply puts you in a place from which you cannot escape. I wonder if it's possible to contact this place, and if so, I bet Harry will try to talk to Sirius in this way. What are your thoughts? Thanks for more details about the veil...I can't really explain how I feel about Sirius's death. Not saying it would have been better to see him killed by 'AK' but at the same time I ended up feeling like Harry...totally disbelieving and incomplete. If he had seen Sirius dead on the ground like he did with Cedric, perhaps he wouldn't torture himself as much...he could move on more easily. Does that make sense? I wonder if he'll obsess about that veil and ask Luna if she's talked with her mum since her mum died...

[Lunatech]

I think harry will probably have to go in it.

For some reason, fathers aren't as significant as mothers in her series. James Potter may have been a great and talented wizzard...but it was Harry's mother's charm that made kept him safe and untouched.

I think Luna's mother will help this bridge. I don't have enough facts to work with to speculate the next chapters... im just thinking it's no coincidence that luna's mother and harry's mother are both dead.

[Lizzy Bennet]

I think harry will probably have to go in it.

For some reason, fathers aren't as significant as mothers in her series. James Potter may have been a great and talented wizzard...but it was Harry's mother's charm that made kept him safe and untouched.

I think Luna's mother will help this bridge. I don't have enough facts to work with to speculate the next chapters... im just thinking it's no coincidence that luna's mother and harry's mother are both dead.

If I may speculate, I daresay mothers play a bigger roles than fathers in this series because JKR lost her own mum at an early age and from the interviews I read, it was a very intense loss for her. Perhaps that also ties in to why the death was hard to write...the feelings that Harry had and the conversation with Luna about their mothers probably hit pretty close to home. Just my speculation.

[Lunatech]

yes. even Mrs. Weasly has a more prominant role to Harry than Mr. Weasly.

Also don't forget Petunia (the sister of Lily) mother of Dudley.



i should be a ravenclaw but actually i like hufflepuffs better for some reason

[highsorcerer]

The veil separates life and death. The reason Luna and Harry could hear voices behind it is because they've both lost parents. Neville might be able to hear it because of his grandfather's death, but Hermoine, Ron, and Ginny haven't lost any family members yet. Death is the greatest mystery of all, so it's no wonder the veil is located in the MoM DoM section.

[Person#11]

I think I posted this somewhere else but I will say it here to, I am confident that the Ministry used to use the veil to execute people, back in the old days.

[Boycey]

The veil without a shadow of doubt has somthing to do with death, maybe a gateway perhaps, I mean sirius body does seem like it vanished, or like someone said used for executions (I think that it seems like this being as it was like a place that verdicts were done and a place for witnesses, but I still don't go with this). What ever the mistery im sure the only one that really knows apart from unspeakables is Lovegood, and with my impression that the next book could be set around the death espect we have not seen the last of this veil.

personally I think that its a gateway with the veil is used to comunicate with the dead, the only reason I dont think its used for executions is that im under the impression that if you are dangerous you get a life sentense at Azkaban, and the really really dangerous have there soles taken out via dementors, and that maybe to have someone really dangerous going to the death world could be as dangerous as having them in the real world.

[APWBD]

I don't think the room is used to kill people. DD at MoM tells Fudge that the DE's are tied up in the Death Room. And later Nearly Headless Nick tells Harry that he thinks that they study death in the Department of Mysteries. So I think this arch is where they study death. Although the MoM may have an execution room, i doubt that this is it. After all, why would it be in the Department of mysteries??

[Person#11]

While you are right it doesn't seem that the DoM would have the execution room, but I still think that, or at least that the Ministry has sent unwilling people through it before, how else would they know that it kills people.

I also think that sending LV through it maybe a way to kill him. And that Harry may possibly try to kill LV by sending him through the veil.

[Nothlit]

I dunno, I still think the Death Chamber may well be the Ministry's public execution room. After all, why would it have rows of seats? We have the same sort of thing...a little room off to the side of the lethal injection chamber where the victim's and prisoner's families can come to witness the execution.

But maybe you're right. Maybe the Death Chamber is where Nearly Headless Nick was referring to when he said he thought they studied death in the Department of Mysteries. In that case, maybe the seats are used for family members who want to go and communicate with departed loved ones. Kinda like that "Crossing Over" show claims to do on TV.

[werebane]

I think you are right about it being an executon chmbe. I mean while else would they have rows of chairs where people die. That makes sense to me at least

[Holly Golightly]

EXCELLENT!!!

I havent' been here for a while, and I was just coming to post a theory abou the room with the veil being a kind of execution chamber type thing! I mean, Harry said that it was very similar to the place where he was tried by the Wizegamort(sp)... so maybe this was/is where they hold trials for people who will possibly get the 'death sentence' as such. But, as it's also a way of communicating with the dead (at least, that's what I think) and htey can somehow 'study' the dead or something like that in there, it resides in the Department of Mysteries!

Also, Neville and Ginny could hear voices beyond the Veil... which makes me wonder, has Ginny seen anyone die... after all, it never says wether or not she can see the Thestrals, and she, like Neville, Luna and Harry can hear the voices beyond the Veil... and no one else who hasnt' witnessed a death can???

Maybe the veil and the Thestrals are related somehow... like you can travel through the veil and return if on a thestral??? (though that might be a little far fetched) but some kind of relationship???

What thinks peoples?

[HuffleDuck]

I think it did say that Ginny can't see the threstal(Spell ) Harry and Luna have to guide Hermy, Ron, and Ginny to the threstal when they about to take off to rescue Sirius. My memory is getting worse every minute now(Neville can be my teacher on this loss memories ) But yeah there's some mystery about Ginny lately. Wonder if she'll be a big help in future books.