bad happenings at St.Mungo's

[Athena Appleton]

I heard something recently that I kinda latched onto regarding Frank and Alice Longbottom's condition. I warn you, it's a conspiricy theory.

"Everything we have seen of St. Mungo's so far gives us goosebumps. W know that St.Mungo's is a favorite charity of Celestina Warbeck" (I forget why exactly, i'll post it if i remember, but there's something questionable about her) "and Lucius Malfoy. We also know that they were not up-front about admitting that they had no information about Barty Crouch, Sr's "illness", which hled eryone cover up that he was not really sick. Thy were very quick to offer an "expert" who (without examining him) readily diagnosed tha Harrycould be suffering from Psychological problems. Worst of all, poor Neville's prents are in there supposedly becse they are insane from the effects of the Cruciatus Curse, and that just brings up visions of "a Cuckoo's Nest". *

Plus, doesn't it seem likely that someone would have been able to intercept that clipping of Devil's Snare that killed Bode in OotP? Doesn't it seem odd that there are magical cures for almost everything else, but Frank and Alice Longbottom are suffering from insanity from the Cruciatus Curse that was put on them almost 15 years ago?

I think St. Mungo's, like the Ministry of Magic, is corrupt. Yes, I think there are good healers there, I'm not saying they're all bad people, but I do think it odd that they accept such generous donations from such well-known bad guys without doing them a few "favors" in return. I think someone in St. Mungo's is responsible for keeping Frank and Alice Longbottom from recovering and being able to talk (poor Neville!). I think the Devil's Snare that killed Bode was either sent or approved by someone inside. I don't know if I think this person (or people) was an actual Death Eater, I think it more likely that they accept bribes from Death Eaters...

If this person was caught, imagine what kind of secret Frank and Alice Longbottom have that someone so desperately wants to keep hidden!!!

[Athena Appleton]

I forgot to put it at the bottom of my message, but the "*" for the quote comes from The Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter, by Galadriel Waters.

[Athena Appleton]

dark cloak posted this in the "neville" thread, and it fits in exactly to this one... had some interesting evidence i never noticed:

Taken from: http://journals.tuxreports.com/emh/archives/000683.html

Okay, so you´ve probably heard that Droobles Best Blowing Gum, with the letters rearranged is ¨Gold bribe below St.Mungos¨ Most people connect this to the Longbottoms- a few in a real stupid way. The gum wrapper that Neville´s mum handed to him in book 5 is no a secret message for him- it´s for the readers! A few people have said that frank and Alice aren´t really insane- they are pretending...ah-ha, *real* likely...And pray, how on earth did a bubble gum company stumble upon this evidence against Mungos...honestly, some people. Jk is using the wrapper in that sappy scene with Neville to make sure the reader makes the connection: some one is bribing Mungos not to cure the Longbottoms (they might have vital knowledge agianst Voldie etc). Now the only question remaining is who is that someone...obviously someone with a lot of money...Lucius Malfoy, remember in book 4 when Fudge introduces the Malfoys and makes that comment about Lucius being his guest because of a most generous contribution he made to ST MUNGOS...That scene struck me as odd, I mean Malfoy´s loaded, he can afford top box tickets on his own so why did JK put that in? To show that Malfoy has a strong influence over the Ministry? Nope, God knows Draco harps on about that enough...¨My father...¨ this and ¨My father...¨ that, we get a good measure of Mr. Malfoy from other characters too so there would have been no need for that line. So I think I may be onto something! Then again, JK´s too clever for that, I expect the twist in book 6 will simply knock our socks off with something completely unexpected!

Thanks, dark cloak!

Also, I remembered who Celestina Warbeck is. She's a radio personality on the wizarding wireless. Celestina puts you in mind of "celestial" or heavenly, but "Warbeck" is the last name of a famous British imposter, Perkin Warbeck. So the name would imply a heavenly imposter, or someone who would seem good, but isn't. Celestina Warbeck also gives generously to St. Mungos. BAD BAD MUNGOS!!!

[jarvan49]

Hmmm, interesting. very interesting. someone on the inside at St. Mungo's. Very possible! I need to give this more thought but you may be onto something here Athena!
well done!

[choki]

I am atonished with everything!
Wow, I didn't think much about the wrapper, except it was a 'gift' for Neville.
Now, my head is crampled full of amazing theories!
Ministry of Magic and now, St. Mungo...what will be next? A corrupted Hogwarts' teacher?
Oooh, I smell conspiracy in the air.

[Loony_4_Snape]

very interesting!

[Violet]

Well it seems that just about everywhere in the wizarding world is or has been corrupt in some way, so yeah i think this is quite possible!

Good work Athena!

[Meg Boyd]

incredible...wow...

I believe there is someone behind all of this...

Lucius is my best guess and you know they say that all pure bloods are related, what if Celestina Warbeck was related to Lucius or someone who is connected to Lucius that would be hurt if Frank and Alice let something out. Funny thing about names is that being "frank" is to be honest. Is the true buried in the mind of Frank, the only one who can be honest?

[Aberforth]

Like many governments, there will be at least some level of corruption in the ministry of magic and it would make sense that Voldemort has people inside St Mungos as it is an important place in wizarding life. It would also allow Voldemort to keep tabs on people in there, such as Bode and perhaps McGonagall when she was there (why was she sent there in OotP when Madam Pomfrey is a decent ehaler herself? Is it because it would be impropoer for her to treat her friend/colleague or to have McG treated in the same place as the pupils?).

Lucius is very well connected in the wizarding world due to his generous donations to various causes etc. Mentioning his donations to St Mungos could be significant as not many other (if any) are mentioned.

[Aberforth]

Alice means nobility-kind btw

[Athena Appleton]

It would also allow Voldemort to keep tabs on people in there, such as Bode and perhaps McGonagall when she was there (why was she sent there in OotP when Madam Pomfrey is a decent ehaler herself? Is it because it would be impropoer for her to treat her friend/colleague or to have McG treated in the same place as the pupils?).[/quote

I took this like I would take someone in real life being sent to a specialist. Four stunners through the heart was too much for even a good healer like Madam Pomfrey to take care of, so that's why McGonagall had to be sent to St. Mungo's. Madam Pomfrey is, I think, a very competent healer, but I would imagine, like our school nurses, there are folks out there more qualified to handle particularly difficult stuff.

Lucius is very well connected in the wizarding world due to his generous donations to various causes etc. Mentioning his donations to St Mungos could be significant as not many other (if any) are mentioned.

Out of curiosity, do you read all the posts before posting, or just skim and post? Celestina Warbeck is mentioned as giving to St. Mungo's. I think Lucius Malfoy's money is DEFINATELY used in some bribery, but I think Celestina is someone to watch out for in later books.

[Aberforth]

I think you could be right about Celestina Warbeck. She has been mentioned like so many others - appearing inconspicuously and then being a full character later on.


Athena - I do generally read all the posts before adding my first to a particular thread just to get everyones ideas and try not repeat what others have said. I then pick up from my previous posts.

[Nobby]

corruption at st mungo's is very plausible. i like the bubblegum wrapper connection!

like you said Jk likes name dropping and then bringing them back up later!

[Holly Golightly]

OMG! The Bubble-Gum thing is something I never made the connection with, but we've had suspicions about St Mungo's before... Mainly with the donations from Lucious, and the Longbottoms never getting better.

I will admit that Celestina Warbeck never came up before either to my knowledge. And with her last name beign that british imposter... good connection. JK 's names often give of hints as to what kind of person the character is when you connect them up!

Anyways, still reeling over hte bubble-gum!

Holly

[Writer]

Wow! That is so likely! The bubblegum thing was the clincher for me.
That is so sad that Frank and Alice Longbottom may not even be so crazy, just trying to give their son a message. I definately hope JKR does something with this. It'll be really interesting to see HOW she does it, though.
Urgh, sending shivers down my spine. A corrupt hospital! But it does seem like the kind of thing JKR would do and there has to be more to St Mungos than what we have heard so far. So I suppose all the previous mentions were working up to something like this... *shiver*