harry's grandparents

[Athena Appleton]

I don't think there's a "dark secret" about Lily. At the most, I think there's some relative ties to Slytherin, but I don't think she shares those Slytherin traits. Too many Gryffindors loved/respected her. Personally, I think she's a decendant of Slytherin, maybe even a fourth cousin or something of Riddle, but the daughter of squibs. As squibs, they would have been rejected by the Slytherin family, because squibs are almost as bad as muggles, in the eyes of Slytherins.

[hagrid_fang]

that could explain why lilys parents were proud to have a witch in the family!

[Emma'I'm a real witch']

Just to make a quick point, in JK's interview the other day she stated that Harry's grandparents are all dead. So I think that rules out LV being Lily's mum.

[pandora315]

I think Lily has to have some connection with Voldemort, otherwise he wouldn't have given here the option to stand aside while he killed harry but I think to assume its a blood connection is out of the question. I mean, Voldemort is the last remaining heir of slytherin (even though his father was a muggle). He's not a direct decendant, meaning that pure wizards carried the line on down to him, but somewhere in his blood line a long way back was Salazaar Slytherin. If Lily potter was related in ANY way to voldemort, she would have carried the line on, and Harry would be a decendant as well, which we know if not true. My personnal theory is that Snape had a thing for Lily (which explains some of the extra hatred he has for James potter) and that Voldemort knew if he killed Lily it would cause a rift beteween him and one of his top advisors (Snape), but as we know Voldemort killed Lily anyway, and thats what I think drove SNape to switch sides and join Dumbledores team.

[Alice I]

Pandora315 wrote
as we know Voldemort killed Lily anyway, and thats what I think drove SNape to switch sides and join Dumbledores team.

I don't agree.
When Harry entered DD pensive it was stated that Snape switched sides and became a spy at great personal risk to himself before the downfall of Voldemort and his downfall happened the night Lilly died.

[pandora315]

Fair point, but we've never really seen proof that Snape switched sides, or when he switched sides. He was a teacher at Hogwarts while he was a death eater, so he would have been in perfect position to spy on Dumbledore. Dumbledore is gifted at ligilimens so its possible he could ahve known if Snape was lying to him, but Snape is gifted at Ligilimens as well.

[Athena Appleton]

Ahhh, I guess the Snape-liking-Lily thing could work (even though he's rude to her in the pensieve, I think that was just him being a teenager, he probably really really liked that she stood up for him)...

Still don't think, though, that Voldy had ANY intention of letting Lily go free the night he killed James and (he wanted to kill) Harry... I mean, someone that evil wouldn't be above letting her think she'd be in the clear as long as she sacrificed her son, and then killing her anyway.

[pandora315]

Just as a side note, has anyone else ever considered that Poppy could be a relative of DD, even his daughter. I've thought it a couple times, does anyone kno if theres a description of Madame Pomphrey and if she looks anything like DD?

[pandora315]

Sorry!!! I thought I was in the Proffesors Spouses thread. Silly me

[hbic3]

Ok, Tom Riddle is Voldemort. He took his "dark lord" name for the letters in his full name.

Voldemort's mother died when he was a baby. He got his first name from his father, and middle name from his grandfather? I dont remember exactly.

Lily's last name is Evans. James' is Potter. Where would Riddle come in?

Hey, just a thought, came to me just now. Any recognize the "similarities" between James Potter and Draco Malfoy? The meanness of them both? Naw!!!! But it did strike me that Snape seemed to be the Harry and James the Malfoy of James and Snapes' school days.


Arrrgggghhhhhh! It'll all come out in the wash. Hurry up book 6!!!

[hbic3]

...That Dumbledore may have been saying a half truth, as he usually does, when he said the Dursley's are the only family Harry has left?

DD always has something up his sleeve, something he's not telling anyone else.

It's keeps being told to us that Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard ever. But then we keep getting reminded that Voldemort is equally as powerful, even if it's not said in so many words.
Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort has more magical knowledge than perhaps any other wizard. Including Dumbledore? That Against Voldemort, even Dumbledore's powers are not invincible. Then if Voldemort is more powerful than Dumbledore, why wasn't he able, and didn't even seem to TRY to kill Dumbledore. Is Dumbledore Tom Riddle's grandfather? His mother's father?

Maybe the plot of the story is not to KILL Voldemort, but to Transform him to Good? To knock the evil stuffing out of him, and make him a good guy?
Tom Riddle IS a riddle. And maybe Harry is the answer?

He says there is ancient magic Voldy KNOWS, but despises. Love. But he says that there is a power locked up in that room that wouldn't open, that Harry has alot of, but Voldemort doesn't have. What is it?

[Athena Appleton]

can't figure out where this post is coming from, but okie day...

In P/SS, when Dumbledore and Minerva McGonagall are discussing all the stuff that's happened, Dumbledore says that Voldemort has powers he'll never have, and McGonagall counters by saying that that's only because Dumbledore's too noble to use them. I took this to mean that Dumbledore and Voldemort are just about equal as far as power and everything else goes, only Voldemort is willing to use his power for evil and Dumbledore's not.

Maybe the plot of the story is not to KILL Voldemort, but to Transform him to Good? To knock the evil stuffing out of him, and make him a good guy?
Tom Riddle IS a riddle. And maybe Harry is the answer?

I dont think so... don't have any other reason that I don't believe Voldemort could become good. Evil wasn't some "stuffing" in Tom Riddle, it was his choice. He likes being evil, being feared by all wizard-kind.

He says there is ancient magic Voldy KNOWS, but despises. Love. But he says that there is a power locked up in that room that wouldn't open, that Harry has alot of, but Voldemort doesn't have. What is it?

I took this to mean that what is in the room is also love, or decency, or caring for other people... those things are things that Voldemort can't handle. Harry is decent (he doesn't even punish people who deserve it, like Wormtail), he's loving, and he cares for others.

[hbic3]

That just because Dumbledore says that the Dursley's are all the family Harry has left, doesn't neccessarily mean that's the whole truth. Like I said, Dumbledore always has something that he doesn't tell anybody.


You really enjoy seeking out my posts and trying to discredit them, don't you. It seems like every time I post, you're right behind me to criticize.
I would really appreciate it if you would find someone else to pick on.

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

Hmm...I don't want to believe that the Dursleys are Harry's only family because that's pretty sad. But we've always taken Dumbledore's word for everything, but DD's not infallible(sp?). I don't agree with all that LV being Lily's dad b/c that can't be right. They could have some kind of family relationship though.

hbic3: Nobody means to criticize anyone in this place. Everything is kind of like a debate in here. If someone doesn't agree with ur opinions, they say so and state their side. And vice-versa. So no hard feelings from anyone.

[Athena Appleton]

Hmm...I don't want to believe that the Dursleys are Harry's only family because that's pretty sad. But we've always taken Dumbledore's word for everything, but DD's not infallible(sp?). I don't agree with all that LV being Lily's dad b/c that can't be right. They could have some kind of family relationship though.

I don't think Voldy is anywhere closely related to Lily... just don't see any evidence of it except for the fact that he "would have" spared her (dont' think he would have, think he was playing with her in a sick, twisted way) and that she had green eyes. Big pookie. But I can't help feel like there are some other family out there that Dumbledore for some reason either doesn't know about or chooses not to disclose to Harry. The main reason I feel that way is that Harry lives close to a Mark Evans. Rowling has yet to have a true coincidence (everything is planned) and I don't think she'd have a Mark Evans in her story without having some discussion of other relatives because Lily's last name was Evans. Too big a "coincidence."

But, I admit, I have NO IDEA where she's going with this... Rowling's a heck of a lot smarter than I am. But I think she's got something big in store in the next two books.