Wormtails Powers

[pandora315]

I don't know about anyone else but I've always wondered why Peter Pettigrew is talked about by all the teachers as being talentless and not in the same class as Sirius, Lupin, or James. Even Voldy calls him talentless, Yet he manages to kill what was is, 12 muggles, blow a street apart, and fake his death. How does he manage it I wonder? Any thoughts?

[Amon Rê]

Well...I assume the 12 muggle deaths result from the street blowing up...anyone can fake their own death, I mean we even have that in the muggle world...as for the street maybe he'd had a charm made ahead of time or something?!? You know by someone more powerful...

[Alice I]

Maybe you don't have to have a lot of talent to make a big explosion. Cutting off his finger before transforming takes nerve not talent. Maybe that is why he was chosen as a Gryffindor student. He has the nerve to not only cut off his own finger but his whole hand.

[pandora315]

Thats something along the lines of what I was thinking, that cutting of his finger was forshadowing cutting off his hand, and that maybe Voldy put him up to it. Which makes me ask how did they know where to find Sirius? I know that sounds silly becuase Voldy had already been defeated (once) but i guess it could have been planned in advance. Does anyone else wonder if maybe DD and Voldy have more of an idea as to how all the events will play out than we're clued in on? I mean obviously we all know DD can somehow divine how events in the future are going to happen, but it seems that Voldy has displayed some of that talent as well

[Aberforth]

DD and LV are on a higher level than ordinary wizards. DD is very wise and LV knows how scared people act (as he preys on these people) and both are extremely powerful. Therefore it is likely that they will have an idea as to how things will pan out. They will both be working to plans and will have predicted the outcome of certain events.

Remember the emperor in Return of the Jedi - he had everything planned out too.

[Athena Appleton]

Aberforth, you ever seen That 70's Show? You remind me of Eric and Kelso, always referring to Star Wars.

*here's your ice cream*

I think it is possible that some things can be flukes, and I think Wormtail had an extra burst of magic at the time he killed the 12 muggles. I do agree with y'all who said that cutting off your finger and faking your own death takes nerve, not talent...

You know how Harry was able to do magic accidentally when he was angry or afraid? Wonder if Wormtail's extra burst of magical power came with the fear that if this plan DIDN'T work, it would come out that he betrayed James and Lily... kind of a combination of the accidental magic done by underage or very very emotional wizards and an adrenaline rush you get when you're completely scared to death... Grandmas can lift cars, and Wormtail can do magic...

He must have known, or at least had a lot of confidence, that it would work, because he does cry out about "James and Lily, Sirius! How could you?!?!?!" for everyone to hear... imagine how awkward it would have been if he yelled that, did this magic, and nothing happened...

[Nobby]

Athena wrote

Wonder if Wormtail's extra burst of magical power came with the fear that if this plan DIDN'T work

Totally agree! However, Wormtail was hanging with Voldie and co so could've been taught a mother of a spell by them! afterall some of the death eaters must be powerful. however the fear theory seems more likely!

[Ferrus]

Erm... wasn´t it that Sirius found Wormtail instead of Wormtail going after him?? its what I remember from Sirius´s account of the facts, which I trust more than the ministry´s version. In that case , it would be Wormtails desperation that made him do the curse, and its well known that cornered animals fight all the harder...

[Scellanis]

Erm... wasn´t it that Sirius found Wormtail instead of Wormtail going after him?? its what I remember from Sirius´s account of the facts, which I trust more than the ministry´s version. In that case , it would be Wormtails desperation that made him do the curse, and its well known that cornered animals fight all the harder...

Thats what i thought too, sirius tracked down peter and then peter would have been terrified of course knowing sirius was the better wizard which would help the accidental powerful magic theory....

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, okay, you're right... Sirius tracked down Peter, not the other way around...

But Peter HAD to have known Sirius would track him down... he knew Sirius knew he was the secret keeper, so he knew Sirius would put two and two together and realize the truth of what happened... so whether he tracked Sirius down or Sirius tracked him down, my guess is that he had the spell ready to go, but the burst of magic that came from adrenaline and fear made it that much worse (I don't think he intended to really kill a lot of Muggles... maybe a simple spell that would make a big mess and commotion went overly powerful or something)...

[Phaerie]

Why wouldn't wormtail have wanted to kill all the muggles, he was afterall a deatheater, and thats the sort of thing they did for fun.

Also even if he did the spell out of desperation, i'd imagine that there was some sort of planning involved. After all wormtail must have realised that sirius and james would deduce who the turncoat was and come after him, so must have had plans to deal with it. Plus in order to save his skin, he needed to lay the blame quite clearly on someone else.

Either wormtail has some rather spectacular hidden talents or the event was rather carefully planned, to save him, and get rid of one of voldemorts rivals at the same time.

It could well have been plaaned by Voldemort as the scenario would have worked just as well if Voldemort had been successfull at the Potters. After all Sirius was a rather strong enemy of Voldemort so it would seem prudent to plan his downfall, and tieing it in with the death of his friends was just an extra twist.

[Athena Appleton]

Why wouldn't wormtail have wanted to kill all the muggles, he was afterall a deatheater, and thats the sort of thing they did for fun.

I don't think he was truly a death eater... I know that sounds weird, but it's all about the subtle distinctions... I think he was one of many who were not official Death Eaters, but were sympathizers of Voldemort, and I think he was one of them.

Personally, I think Wormtail accidently killed those Muggles. He meant to do something bad, he meant to make a huge commotion, but not necessarily to kill, because I don't think Wormtail had it in him to kill (bad as that sounds, because he was awfully evil, I think he only had it in him to have someone ELSE kill)

As far as the confrontation with Sirius is concerned, I feel certain that Wormtail, as well as Voldemort, knew that Sirius could tell authorities immediately what really happened if they didn't destroy him quickly. After all, he knew that Wormtail was the secret-keeper, and he knew that the Fidelius charm could ONLY be broken in a way by the secret-keeper telling. So the second Sirius found out about James and Lily, he could have blew the whistle on Wormtail.

That does make sense, though, what you said about Voldemort most likely planning to kill Sirius anyway... i think the main thing to remember, though, is that time WAS of the essence...

[pandora315]

Jst for arguments sake iitsays that Sirius "cornered" Peter, not tracked him down. Its eay to corner someone if their in the same vicinity as you. So Peter found Sirius as the MoM says, probably knowing in advance that Sirius would immediatly come after him upon seeing him, which put him in the position to play out his little act. I mean, witnesses saw Sirius acting as the aggressor. Which just makes me think that Peter can't be behind it himself because although he shows nerve in carring out the plan, I don't think its a plan he could have cme up with himself. And we know from Wormtails defense of himself in PoA that he didn't everything out of fear of Voldy. Just the way I interpreted it anyway.

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, that sounds plausible (sp?)... I don't think he planned it himself, but I do think it was a plan, because I do think he knew Sirius would catch up with him eventually and know the truth. I just don't think his plan involved actually killing those 12 Muggles (that was the result of an extra burst of strength caused by fear or adrenaline or both). Say his plan just involved Sirius "blowing Peter up", Sirius would still be in Azkaban for the rest of his days... I could be totally off, I just don't really feel like Wormtail would have had it in him to purposely kill 12 Muggles that really didn't NEED to be killed to acheive the same affect.

[pandora315]

I don't either. I don't think Wormail is even capable of blowing up the street. I think someone else was there who prefromed the spell that blew up the street, someone who wouldn't have minded killing 12 muggles, someone who liked muggle torturing and killing muggles. Do we know anyone like that??