Lily's death

[Athena Appleton]

I was just rereading P/SS this morning around 3:00 (when I have all my brilliant ideas and can't talk to anyone about them) and I got to the part where Voldemort is talking to Harry in the Chamber with the Mirror of Erised...

Voldemort tells Harry that his parents died "begging for mercy" and Harry screams that Voldemort is lying. Then Voldemort says that James and Lily were brave, that he killed James, but Lily needn't have died, if only she'd just stepped away from the baby.

Does anyone really believe Voldemort would really have allowed Lily to live? I've heard a lot of people say that this is "proof" that there's something a lot darker about Lily than we're led to believe, but I just think it was Voldemort lying and tricking, trying to get what he wanted, trying to hurt Harry even more...

[paintballdecoy]

I think you might be on to something. If she had given him the baby he would have spared her, why though, if he is so evil then why even consider not killer her. It would have been easier to just murder her and then kill Harry, but he said he would have not killed her. Does this mean he has some connection with her.

[Athena Appleton]

I don't know, I just really don't think he would have really spared her. I think if she had moved, he would have killed Harry and then turned on her... I could, of course, be wrong, but I just really don't think he has any sense of caring for Lily, and I really don't think he would have let her witness his crimes and walk away...

[Amon Rê]

Oh Oh...good thought...maybe the muggle families of Voldemort and Lilly are related...I mean you never know...I do like that idea, but it could have just been that since Voldemort KNEW that once he killed Harry, the prophecy would have been killed he could have just killed Lilly at any time afterward. He would have been pretty much unstoppable except for Dumbledore...

[Alice I]

This is just a thought but maybe Voldemort had some inkling that if Lily just steped aside then he may have been able to kill Harry. He said in the CoS that the protection she gave him by dieing for her was an old magic that he had forgotten about. Maybe a part of him knew about it and wanted her to willing move aside.
Just a thought

[Amon Rê]

This is just a thought but maybe Voldemort had some inkling that if Lily just steped aside then he may have been able to kill Harry. He said in the CoS that the protection she gave him by dieing for her was an old magic that he had forgotten about. Maybe a part of him knew about it and wanted her to willing move aside.
Just a thought

Good one Alice, or it could have been that SHE knew about the magic and no matter what wasn't going to allow Voldemort that power of having completed the prophecy...

[Athena Appleton]

Moderator, I think I need some help revising that original theory, cuz the topic's going off from the original question...

I don't think Lily and Voldy have a special relationship. The question was, do you really think, had she moved aside and let him get Harry, he would have spared her life? I don't think so.

[pandora315]

Anyone for a conspiracy theory?
I just realized that when Harry is explaining to Uncle Vernon about dementors Petunia says "I heard that awful boy telling her about them" We all assume she means Harrys father, but what if its not. Maybe its not. Maybe Lily had a thing with Voldy before he went totally evil. I mean, just because he's not capable of love now doesn't mean he never was, maybe he was spurned and thats what started it all:) (I know Petunia says "awful boy" But maybe VOldy was experimenting with anti-aging potions before he figured out how to cheat death.)

[Aberforth]

Please re-read what you posted. Maybe you might realise how ridiculous that sounds.

Has Voldermort any children JK Rowling replies -> No. Voldemort as a father... now that's not a nice thought.

The above is taken from a JKR webchat on the leaky cauldron. This suggests taht the very idea of LV even dating is a bit errrr.

[Athena Appleton]

Ew, that is one age difference I'd rather not think about...

"Awful boy" being Snape?

[pandora315]

Like I said its a far out theory. I didn't mean Voldy was a father, you don't have to have kids to have a realationship. And as for the age difference, I suggested a anti-againg potion. I mean, if there are aging potions it would make sense that there are anti-againg potions. I never thought it might be SNape, but thats another theory as well

[Athena Appleton]

I dont know, I'm sure we'll find out for sure in the end, but I got the impression that Lily and James got together at Hogwarts, meaning she wouldn't have brought Snape home to meet the family anytime

The "awful boy" could be thrown in there to throw us off track later, but I wouldn't automatically assume that, because if you notice, Petunia and Vernon (and Marge) never use the proper names when talking about James or Lily.

[Aberforth]

Lily and James didn't get together until 7th year (I think Sirius or Lupin said this in OotP) so there is a possibility that there was another boyfriend.

However, Snape wouldn't go out with Lily since she was muggle-born and he calls her scum or something like that when she sticks up for him.

[paintballdecoy]

yeah, so. She said she wouldn't go out with James even if he was the last person on earth, so you never know

[Athena Appleton]

haha...

I just don't see Lily bring Snape home to meet the family at any point... could be me, but I just don't see it. I think the "awful boy" was, in fact, James.