Lily's death

[Jotomicron]

(well, this is getting really off the topic... So I'll just add some information about Lily's death.)

In The Prizioner of Azkaban, Harry hears his parents diying (or so he thinks, but I agree that he hears the truth). He heard Voldemort saying something like :"Step aside, woman". Why wouldn't he just enter the room where Lily and Harry were and just said the magic words "Avada Kedavra?" Why did he bother to ask Lily to step aside???

[Athena Appleton]

I don't know why... I just don't think he meant it...

Voldemort seems to like to "play" with his victims before killing them (he does it with Harry in the graveyard, if i'm not mistaken he does it with Frank Bryce in Harry's dream)... maybe he wanted the fun of playing with her before killing her... ?

[Cruzio]

I actually think there might be something about Lily that "maybe" could have saved her life that evening.. maybe "dark secrets", maybe something else...

[jarvan49]

In my opinion, voldemort killed james because james put up a fight. I dont recall reading anywhere that lily put up a fight, although i could be wrong. I dont even recall her having her wand out to fight him as james did.

[Athena Appleton]

I don't buy the "there's a darker side to Lily" thing... too much going against it...

jarvan: well, I don't think she put up a fight in a take-her-wand-out kinda thing... she was apparently putting up some defense, though, because she was protecting Harry...

I think Voldemort really enjoys the leading up to the murders... it's sick, but it sounds plausible, I think... when she didn't come out to play the way he wanted her to, he killed her.

[pandora315]

I'd like to know what evidenct goes against Lily having a darker side. I mean, we learn alot about James but we don't really know Lily that was as an independant character. Not only that but Lilt was a mudblood and though Voldy was a mudblood as well he claims to hate them and is not opposed to killing them in CoS (when he opened the chamber the last time) so unless he had some kind of connection with her why wouldn't he kill her?

[pandora315]

I mean why would he be so hesistant to kill her

[Athena Appleton]

The people who believe there's a darker side to Lily base that theory on two VERY obscure hints: she has green eyes, and Voldemort tells her to get out of the way instead of killing her immediately. Yeah. That's about it. NOT enough to base a theory around!

[Alice I]

haha...

I just don't see Lily bring Snape home to meet the family at any point... could be me, but I just don't see it. I think the "awful boy" was, in fact, James.

That fits with Aunt Petunia's statement back in SS:

She (Aunt Petunia) stopped to draw a deep breath and then went ranting on. It seemed she had been wanting to say all this for years.
"Then she met that Potter at school and they left and got married and had you..."

She pretty much hated Lily and James from the start so it isn't a stretch to figure that the awful boy was James.

[Ferrus]

The "stand aside" bit is probably just Voldemort being sadistic, and everone knows that Voldemort IS a twisted sadistic killer.

[Athena Appleton]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SCREAMIN!!!

He didn't just blow her and harry up immediately because he wanted to get the "fun" out of messing with her before killing her and killing her son.

[pandora315]

I think that because we don't really know much about Lily we'd probably onlt get one or two clues about her possibly having a dark past. But not only that as far as I can tell the only evidence for her being good is that she was once a member of the Order and James and all his friends liked her. NOt really substantial evidence is it?

[Athena Appleton]

Well, one thing that I think should be considered is that Rowling doesn't just pick names out of the clear blue sky and assign them to characters, and so far she's had her characters fit the names she's given them. I don't think this would be any different. "Lily" is a flower that means pure, sweet, innocent, all that stuff (go see "meaning of names for a complete listing of names and their meanings, and you'll be able to see what I'm talking about)... I sincerely doubt Rowling would name a bad character Lily without at least SOMETHING else in the name hinting that there's a darker side to her.

[Aberforth]

If Lily was bad, why hasn't it come up before now? Everyone says that James and Lily were great people and because she is muggle-born she would not pass the Death Eaters requirement. So why be bad just for the sake of it? She would have no allies.

Plus I agree about the names theory.

*Offers Athena an ice-cream sandwich *

[Athena Appleton]

*Offers Athena an ice-cream sandwich *

Cool, thanks! Does this mean I FINALLY came up with a theory that gets an Aberforth stamp of approval???