Small bit in book 2 that is big in book 6

[Athena Appleton]

I forget where it's mentioned elsewhere in this board, but I take a slightly different tactic about this... I think it has to do with Lockheart.

I think (and I admit, I could be TOTALLY off base with this) that Lockheart's constantly introducing himself and referring to himself as an "honorary member of the Dark Arts Defense League" plays in big later on. There's only been one other mention of the Dark Arts Defense League in all the Harry Potter books: in book 4, when the Daily Prophet is trying to sway public opinion away from Harry, an anonymous member of the Dark Arts Defense League gives his opinion about something having to do with Harry (sorry, I'm way tired right now and can't think of the exact reference, but I know for sure it's there)... I think something weird is going on in the DADL.

Lockheart's constant referrals to the DADL would easily be able to be cut from the film, maybe being used once, instead of, what was it, six times? And I do think there's something questionable going on there...

[Mistress Siana]

That post called "Keeping their masters' secrets" made me rethink that whole "heir of..." thing...
CoS told us two important things:

1) Lord Voldemort is the only remainig heir of Salazar Slytherin.
Now, what's that supposed to tell us? That all Slytherin are natural born evil and that's it?
2) House Elves are bound to their masters, which are usually the owners of the houses they live in

As the HP lexicon says, the founding of Hogwarts marked the first step towards the separation of muggles and the wizarding world, so there cannot have been something like the ministry, which means that the Hogwarts' grounds must have been private property. If there are no known ancestors of the other three founders, it means that

Lord Voldemort is the rightful owner of Hogwarts

and therefor the master of Hogwarts' house elves...now, if you look for a possible heir of Gryffindor, it must be someone the elves take orders from...

[Athena Appleton]

Ahhhh, I see your point, but I think that's stretching it... I mean, who would have been the commander of the house elves for the almost thousand years between Slytherin and Voldemort?

Like I said, I see where you're coming from, but I think it's going a bit too far.

[Sacred Guardian]

yeah, i agree that hagrid will not come back to school, it just seems to weird, it wouldn't really fit with the story, and being a proponent of the harry = gryffindor heir, i think that the sword in the hat has a big part to play

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

Aw, I wish Hagrid would go back to school. How's he gonna defend himself in book 6, b/c there's suppost to be a lot of action. But Hagrid does have that giant blood protection, but i doubt it would hold up against an unforgivable curse tho.

I've been watching the CoS movie over and over, and I can't really see much that would fit in book 6 that the directors were going to leave out. I don't think it's going to be about Harry being Gryffindor's heir b/c that part about him pulling the sword out would have been a major part to leave out.

It might not even be a gigantic part of 6 it could be something like Ron and Hermione hooking up, which is still a big event.

[Writer]

Ooh I have an idea! What about the bit where Harry and Ron follow the Hogwarts Express in the flying car and get onto Hogwarts grounds that way? Surely it shouldn't be that easy... Maybe a bad guy could do the same thing- follow the train and get into Hogwarts?

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

That would be an interesting plot line. Kind of like a would-be-evil Sirius Black infiltrating Hogwarts.

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, but that's a major plot issue... Dobby sealing the entrance to Platform 9 3/4, them missing the train, using the flying car, Arthur's getting in trouble, the howler, Lockheart bugging Harry about fame (which would most likely happen anyway, but it is one time he does it)...

I really think it's something so tiny and minute we would have NO idea just watching it over and over again... that's what makes me think it's something seemingly stupid like Lockheart talking about being an honorary member of the dark force defense league or something like that...

or also, if you watch the deleted scenes, I wonder if it could be in there... I know, it's not "in the movie" but it's made available with the movie... like Filch doing the Kwikspell course (we do know an unlikely person will use magic... this taught us that there are supposedly ways to learn it even if you're not gifted, though it's mostly a sham)

and I'm going around in circles, cuz I have got NO IDEA what the little thing is....

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

yeah, ive been watching the deleted scenes too...in the part where the malfoys are in borgin and burkes, and theres something in the box we cant see and borgin looks all excited about it but malfoy says its not for sale, is that in the book? b/c im gonna say thats the little thing.
i needa re-read.

[Athena Appleton]

That scene is in the book, but I don't think (though I'm not positive) that his obvious excitement is in the actual book...

[Alice I]

Aw, I wish Hagrid would go back to school. How's he gonna defend himself in book 6, b/c there's suppost to be a lot of action. But Hagrid does have that giant blood protection, but i doubt it would hold up against an unforgivable curse tho.

In OofP when Umbridge and the others went after Hagrid the spells they kept throwing at him did just bounce off. I think that is because of his giant blood.

[Athena Appleton]

been thinkin...

the title of this thread is "small bit in book 2......" do we know for sure it's absolutely in the book?

I know that sounds weird, but I was watching an interview with Rowling, and she doesn't mention anything about the second book, just that they were going to put something in the movie that would contradict with something in a future book... I might be wrong, though, there might be another interview where she does specify that she's talking about the books.

Anyway, I was thinking, you know how in movies, they can insinuate (sp?) things that aren't so much stated? Like, there's the awkward hug between Ron and Hermione (a preview of the relationship to come)... what if, in the movie, they insinuated something different (an awkward hug between Hermione and Harry, instead of Hermione and Ron)... that would flatly contradict what will be revealed later....

dunno...

[Centaur Lord]

Hmm, that could be right...However, if it IS in the books, i think i should remind people of the topic title. I dont really have an answer because i just dont know. Anyway...up until a few weeks ago, i would have sworn that the "small bit" is the fact that "only a true Gryffindor could have pulled the sword out of the hat". Now, forgive me if I am wrong, but i got to thinking..."Is this really a SMALL part of the book?" When i read it, the impact of that really hit me at that moment, but i guess its kind of died on me, because its been so long since i read the books for the very first time. I think that this is a big part of the book, which would be "Big part in book two thats big in book 6". Do all of you think this is too big to be small, or am i just crazy?

[Athena Appleton]

yeah, I definately think that's a big part... well, sort of. The sword itself is a big part (it's how he eventually kills the baselisk, after all), and there had to be some explanation given in the movie why a sword came out of a hat. but i do think that's a big part

[Athena Appleton]

I HAD AN IDEA!!!!!!! Last night in the middle of the night I woke up and thought SPIDERS!

In book 1, Harry is in his cupboard under the stairs and it's mentioned that there are spiders in his cupboard... In book 2, Hagrid raises Aragog in a cupboard. I know, I know, there are spiders everywhere, but what if there's a link between Harry's cupboard spiders and Aragog? What if the small bit that would have been changed in the movie is that Hagrid raised Aragog somewhere other than a cupboard?