Snape, a murderer?

[Groo]

this isnt about the DADA or the spy theory. consider this

Snape was accepted back by Voldy which shows, apart from his need, that he trusts Snape. Snape is in his inner circle. that shows that Snape must have been a real faithful servant once upon a time. So was he a muggle-torturer and murderer?

come on! you cant expect him to be that close to Voldy without having killed anyone ever! Voldemort is certainly not dumb, and the only reason he is fooled by Snape is that he believes this Snape is still like his old snape.

[Dumbledores Master]

Hmm never thought about that, you`re right if only a few DE were in the graveyard then ... *strokes beard thoughtfully* I would say he is a muggle torturer. He doesn`t seem the type to kill outright, I think he enjoyed seeing people squirm.

[Female_alien]

Good thinking Groo. But I'd say he was a murderer than. That's quicker and I don't think Snape is a Bellatrix type (that he likes to torture)

[Dumbledores Master]

look at his behavior in school, remember a leapord never changes its spots.(except on its neck where they change to rings with dots inside,(I think))

[Female_alien]

I get your point - but I just can't imagine Snape torturing muggles in such a horrible way. His hate towards James (than Harry) is a little bit justified, but he "tortures" (using words) all other students (except Slytherins) too. I don't know. I still think he's a murderer - part of me just wants to believe that he isn't that cruel, that he's good, but I get what you're talking about

[Morningstar]

I agree that Snape killed people as a Death Eater because thats what DE's do... dispose the wizarding world of mudbloods. Though I'm not too sure about torturing... being the loyal DE that he was, he would probably give his master the honor of torturing. But maybe he was in Voldemort's "inner circle" not becuase he killed/tortured a lot of people; maybe it has something to do with his skill in potions. He could've been the #1 potion-maker among the Death Eaters. Maybe he made all the explosives... do DEs even use explosives?

[Evil Wizard Petting Zoo]

Hmm, I hate to disagree with yall, but I think Snape would much more enjoy torturing than killing. Killing is worse in my opinion, but you could argue that crucio is worse based on Harry's personal accounts. But you can get over pain, but you can't come back from death. Anyways, Snape enjoys emotionally torturing Harry and fellow Gryffindors, and in "Snapes worse memory" I couldn't really see Snape sending an Avada Kedavra at James and Sirus, I could see him sending a few Crucio's though.

[Athena Appleton]

well, I've always assumed that he did all the regular Death Eater stuff... I mean, I don't know if they all went around killing, or if they mostly did the torturing, and Voldy was usually the killer. But I do think, whatever the other Death Eaters were into, it's also what Snape was doing. I wonder, though, when he became a spy, like, did he try to come up with ways to stop doing those things? and how could he have managed stopping his torturing or killing or stuff like that without becoming suspicious...

maybe there are different jobs in the Death Eaters just like there are in the Order.

In the Order, there are different jobs. Molly is in charge of the people, making sure that their needs are met as far as clothes, food, working on cleaning the house. Arthur seems to be the authority figure at 12 Grimmauld Place, he also is an eye in the ministry, along with Shacklebolt and Tonks. Lupin is kind of the comforter, an an outreach to other non-desirables. Mundungus serves as the eyes and ears in the criminal world. Dumbledore is obviously the head of everyone, and Snape is a spy inside the Death Eaters circle.

Now, maybe the Death Eaters have different jobs, too, so Snape's particular job wouldn't really mean he'd be one of the ones out there killing or torturing people. Maybe Snape's job in the Death Eaters is a spy at Hogwarts, but I don't think he's really a double-double-crosser, so I think he'd be giving Voldy inaccurate or incomplete information. The deal with Snape is he's the hardest character to figure out...

Anyway, I've rambled enough.

[Aberforth]

well, I've always assumed that he did all the regular Death Eater stuff... I mean, I don't know if they all went around killing, or if they mostly did the torturing, and Voldy was usually the killer.

I don't think LV is taht active in killings and torturings of people. THe man at the top often delegates such tasks to his minions. JKR said in the recent webchat that he prefferred to do this so we won't see him too much in book 6. It makes sense that he keeps himself hidden unless it is really required. He is the planner and only gets his wand out in severe cases or in punishing his death eaters for incompetance. Notice in OotP, he only appeared when the death eaters failed to do their jobs. Ok, he was definitely in hiding then and didn't want to reveal himself, but I think that is the sort of character he is. He wouldn't bother himself with the day-to-day killings, only in planning the more difficult ones.

[Groo]

i dont think torturing muggles is a job for the DE's which some would be assigned to do. it is just what they do for fun (as in at the quidditch worldcup), or they do it with scorn at an inferior race according to them, or in LV's case as a personal vendetta against muggles and mudbloods.

killing innocent wizards does have some purpose, instilling fear in the minds of the wizarding community, but muggle-torturing is purposeless.

but thats just my opinion.

[Athena Appleton]

okay, well, I misworded there... I don't think it's a job, like you get delegated the task of torturing muggles. More like, it's just what you do, like you said.

*rolls my eyes* don't be so literal. j/k

[Nobby]

i don't know if snape killed or tortured. he's a skilled occulmens. maybe he said he did things to voldermort but really didn't do them or got others to do it for him

[Athena Appleton]

right, but wouldn't all the other Death Eaters find it odd that he wasn't participating and tell Voldy?

[Nobby]

maybe he wasn't always with the other DE's.

[Athena Appleton]

Yeah, but he would have to explain himself sometime, wouldn't he?

have you ever seen Schindler's List? In it, Oskar Schindler is a full-fledged member of the Nazi party, and uses his connections and name to save over a thousand Jews from certain death. In the story, though, he has to explain himself and come up with excuses a few times, because the other Nazi party members notice that he is kinder to them than he "should" be (and I use that term by how they would think, not how I would think).

I think that if Snape repeatedly managed to not do the regular activities that the Death Eaters participated in, they would have noticed, and either gone to him (and they could be fooled by him), but I think they would have gone to Voldemort, too.