Snape, a murderer?

[Groo]

so does this Schindler fellow torture jews at all?

to contradict myself, i dont think snape is the type of person who would flinch at torturing mudbloods and muggles, if he is among his fellow DE's. he wont like doing that, but as he does have a contempt for them, he wont have any qualms to do it.

[Athena Appleton]

so does this Schindler fellow torture jews at all?

not technically. he didn't harm them at all, and behind closed doors, he was kind to them (after the war, when he was an outlaw for profiteering as a member of the Nazi party, the Jews he saved let him live with them). He opened a factory and used free Jewish laborers, and when their camp was about to be liquidated and they were to be sent to Auschwitz, he created his own "camp" in his hometown, where they got to be with their families, work everyday, get medical attention and regular hot meals, and he ordered the officers to never beat or kill them or do any of the horrible things that happened to Jews in other concentration camps, and to never tell anything about what went on there (because if the Nazi higher-ups found out, he'd be dead). Through the whole thing, he insisted he needed these Jews because they were skilled workers, but a large portion of them were small children, old people, and unhealthy people. Rent the movie, it's great, but very graphic.

Anyway, to get back on track, he did have to pay off some fellow Nazis, and he had to talk fast and make excuses for himself... I think Snape would have a very difficult time trying to convince fellow Death Eaters that he was truly one of them, if he didn't participate in the activities they participated in.

[Phinea Rogue]

That's really interesting. But when Dumbledore vouched for Snape, he said he was a DE and a spy and all that stuff... then for using an Unforgivable (Cruciatus or Avada Kedavra, it doesn't matter at the moment) why hadn't he been sent to Azkaban? Was it simple because he became a spy and the ministry sort of 'forgave' him?

[Athena Appleton]

actually, yeah, that's what I think... since he realized the error of his ways before Voldy disappeared, it showed his sincerity, so the ministry sort of cut a deal with him... there are lots of criminals who have kept themselves out of prison by turning spy or consultant (helping cops think like the criminals, so they're easier to capture)

[Moonstone]

so does this Schindler fellow torture jews at all?

Way not look at Schindlers List.. then you see what he did..

[Groo]

yup i think i will. i had heard about its critical acclaim but didnt know what the plot was all about. this seems interesting

[Moonstone]

It is.. i have seen it about five times..

[Alice I]

One of the things I liked about the movie is the use of color and black and white.
Groo there is a scene wher the entire vista is in black and white except for one little girl wandering around aimlessly in a red coat.
After you see the film post your thoughts in the movie thread. I'll look for your appraisal there.

Oh and as to the Snape being a murder thing:

I wonder if he actually did murder someone and have that act eat away at his soul. Maybe he did commit some monstrous act and has turned spy for the good guys as attonment.
*Shrugs* Hey it's just a thought.

[Moonstone]

And not a bad thought at all..

[Groo]

Hmm.. now thats an interesting theory. it connects two threads: this one and why did he become a spy. i dont think that purely would be the reason for him changing sides, but it could be one strong reason... repentance... hmm

[Athena Appleton]

First, about the movie... I cried with the little girl in the red coat (especially the second scene she's in)... If you're still a teenager, you may want to talk to your parents about watching it, as it is really graphic, and there are some nudity scenes (mostly necessary to tell the story, a few completely gratuitous)... And if you want to post about it, there's a movie recommendation thread in the Great Hall. Go there, not the Movies section, as the movies section is reserved for the Harry Potter movies.

Okay...

I wonder if he actually did murder someone and have that act eat away at his soul. Maybe he did commit some monstrous act and has turned spy for the good guys as attonment.

I think that's a possibility, though I'm still mostly sticking with my theory about Snape turning spy to repay the debt to James.

Hmm.. now thats an interesting theory. it connects two threads: this one and why did he become a spy.

I think they're one in the same, actually... I never really understood why someone posted seperate questions about them... I don't think Snape would have left the Death Eaters without knowing he would have some protection, and I think what inspired him to be a spy is what inspired him to leave the DE's... like Sirius said, you can't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort.

[Groo]

About the movie, i am 18 so i can watch it myself but i have my exams around the corner so it will have to wait. thank you all for the recommendations

Hmm.. now thats an interesting theory. it connects two threads: this one and why did he become a spy.

I think they're one in the same, actually... I never really understood why someone posted seperate questions about them... I don't think Snape would have left the Death Eaters without knowing he would have some protection, and I think what inspired him to be a spy is what inspired him to leave the DE's... like Sirius said, you can't just hand in your resignation to Voldemort.

i think you misunderstood the statement. i meant, connect this thread "is snape a murderer and torturer" to the one "why he became a spy"

[Athena Appleton]

ahhhh... okay

[pallas artemis]

I don't see why there would be any questions about Snape being a murderer. I find it all too probable that Dumbledoor, the great hero, is a murderer. Not a cold blooded, ooh that was fun, kind of murderer, but at very least in self defence or protection of loved ones kind.
My bet would be more people in these books have killed than most of us would like to know about. They've lived through what like twenty years of war and are now headed for another war. I'm sorry but in war people die and people kill.

[Ferrus]

[quote=Athena Appleton]I'm still mostly sticking with my theory about Snape turning spy to repay the debt to James. [/quote]

I´m not very sure about that. I don´t think that Snape is the kind of person to risk his neck to repay a debt hover important that dept may be. Of course, Snape is a very deep character so book 6 may prove me wrong.