crouch moody's plan

[Dumbledores Master]

Has this been already talked about in this thread? I dunno this is confusing anyway did DD know about Snape getting the DM on his arm? (I mean showing up)

[highsorcerer]

Crouch Jr. probably didn't know about Snape or Karoroff. The death eaters were not known widely, even to each other (witness Karoroff's attempt to betray the others to save his own skin).

As far as the portkey is concerned, I suspect it has to do with the initial enchantment of it. Portkeys can be rigged to activate on touch (the trophy), on time (to the world cup), or probably anything else. The trophey would probably be rigged to send Harry's dead body back to provide, instead of confusion / missing person, another student who died during the triwizard tournament.

[pandora315]

I think crouch/moody would have known about Snape being a death eater. Moody knew because he makes comments about Snape going free in the vision Harry sees when he falls into the penseive, and we know that Crouch was giving Moody veritaserum to find things out about the way the real Moody acted and the things he felt. I just think it more probable that he did know than that he didn't. But I think the reason that he never contacted SNape is that had he done so too many things in his plan might have gone wrong. I mean Crouch/Moody says somewhere that he could have killed Harry but his master needed him. Everything revolved around Harry getting to the cup and if Crouch/Moody had told Snape he had no way of knowing whether Snape was loyal or not, and even if he was loyal a guy likje Crouch/Moody might be afraid Snape would out do him and bring him Harry first.

Also the reason that Voldemort (no longer Voldy ) never contacted Snape himself is becuase he doesn't know who of his followers are still loyal. A lot of the reason Voldemort is so evil is because he has abandonment issues from the way his father was to him, similar to Crouch/Moody, and when he finally does call all his folloers together he says something like "here comes my real family" to Harry and then asks his death eaters if they are all still faithful and why they never came to find him. I think deep down he's insecure. He's still evil of course though so I try not to pity him too much:)

[Jotomicron]

Ok, I didn't know where to put this piece of information, and found out here would be the perfect position...

Athena (I think) has talked about Voldemot saying "One too cowardly to return...he will pay. One, who I believe has left me forever...he will be killed, of course...and one who remains my most faithful servant..."
But Voldemort has been really near Snape in the first book. I mean, Quirell(sp) and Spane have, at least, 3 conversations. Could Snape know that Voldemort was there? Could Voldemort know that that was Snape??

This made me think: Snape is good at postions... The plyjuice is a potion, and though I think it will appear no more, I think Snape used it while at Voldemort's service...

[Athena Appleton]

Well, I see your point, but I don't think P/SS really can be used in this situation.

1. We don't know exactly when Voldemort took over Quirrell physically. For a while, apparently, he was with Quirrell, but not sprouting out of the back of his head.

2. Because P/SS was well before the return of Voldemort, it is completely understandable, no matter what side you're on, that Snape would honestly try to keep someone from stealing the stone. I believe Snape, at the time, believed that Quirrell was trying to steal the stone for himself, not trying to get it for Voldemort, so anything done on Snape's part to stop Quirrell was justified (although annoying), even to Voldemort's eyes.

3. Before Voldemort's powers grew in GoF, all the Death Eaters who managed to stay out of Azkaban kept up their ruse. What's the point of being servants of the Dark Lord if the Dark Lord is nothing but some shapeless evil vapor, or in some weird body? Voldemort must have realized this, and while it most likely annoyed and angered him, Snape's behavior in P/SS can't be taken by Voldemort that he is truly not a Death Eater anymore.

[Phinea Rogue]

Has this been already talked about in this thread? I dunno this is confusing anyway did DD know about Snape getting the DM on his arm? (I mean showing up)

I think he did know, I'm not sure about it, but when after Harry had looked into DD's Pensieve, they talked and for a while Snape's face was there and he said something like "It's returning.". It seems to me that he refered to the Dark Mark.

[Athena Appleton]

we know that Crouch was giving Moody veritaserum to find things out about the way the real Moody acted and the things he felt.

do huh? I don't remember reading that...

[pandora315]

Go back and re-read when DD questions him.

[pandora315]

I can't remember if he mentions Veritasserum specifically, but he says he kept Moody close by to make the polyjuice and to question him so that he could learn how to act and things. I assume he used veritasserum because its an easy means of getting someone to answer your question.
I mean he probably could have tortured it out of him, but that seems to risky

[Athena Appleton]

Oh, okay, I get it...