The Matrix Reloaded (Don't enter if you haven't seen it)

[Sacred Guardian]

Hey, i saw this movie last night, let me just say that it kicks ass. But i still don't get the dude in the room with all the tv's, what was his deal, like i know he created the matrix, but i didn't really understand him, and how can smith clone himself, and does he still work for the matrix or does he just want to kill neo

[Holly Golightly]

Okies, agent smith doesn't work for the matrix anymore, he just wants to kill neo...

I sorta understood the architect guy, but didnt' take notice of which door was which, then got all confused when Neo walked thru one of them... did he choose like the other 5 or not?

I liked the movie, but hte end really s**t me... I hate movies that end like that... unless I can go out and watch the next one straight away... 6mth till it comes out apparently...

But I absolutely loved those guys in white.. the twins! How cool was that stuff???

[Sacred Guardian]

no, he goes back to the world, and Zion will be destroyed once and for all in like 24 hours unless neo stops the machines, he went back to save trinity

and yes, the ghost twins were very cool

[Holly Golightly]

Coo, because that's what I thought had happened 12321!

Do you know if the way that they were able to move from place to place and heal themselves was anything out of legend/whatever, like those two guys could only be killed by silver bullets/werewolf kind of thing??? I was talking about this with a friend, and we weren't really sure???

[Sacred Guardian]

yeah, they were ghosts, that was what the oracle was talking about right before the awsome fight with the mr. smiths

[choki]

one of the door lead to the destruction of matrix and it will rebuilt again just as it did before 5 times (that's what i understood from The Architect)
So Neo is the 6th The One (meaning the 1st 5 chose this door)
The other door lead to the destruction of Zion after 24 hrs Neo leaves thru it but he gets to save Trinity (meaning if Zion is destroyed, it will be the end of human race one and for all)
that's what i understood so far...

[Sacred Guardian]

yes, that is what will happen, but now that we see that neo has powers outside the matrix, when he destroyd the sentinels, it is obvious, that he will stop the machines

[Neo]

But how can he have powers outside?

And I think that the arquitect was lying to Neo about the other door, because that would mean that this Zion has 100 years (based on Morpheus speech), and a city like that isn0t achieved in 100 years

[Holly Golightly]

Neo: if he doesnt' have powers ourside the martix, then how did he do the EMP???

[Cougie]

Perhaps the real world is also a matrix...

[Holly Golightly]

Why would that be???

[Blaise Zabini]

I finally saw the movie last night and it was amazing! In the beginning, I was getting a little disappointed because there was so little action, but then Neo met the Oracle and had the fight with Agent Smith and I don't believe I blinked for the rest of the movie! Oh yes, and Weaving saying, "Welcome Back Mr. Anderson," was so, so lovely.

The one question I have is in regard to what happened at the end when Neo, while in the 'real world,' was able to stop the sentinel with his bare hand. How can he do this?
The only possible explanation I can think of pertains to what Cougar just said about the 'real world' being a part of the Matrix. If you consider what the Architect said about 99% of all humans following a 'free-choice' algorithm, then all of their actions can be predicted and controlled. However, the other 1% are those living in Zion who have 'woken up.' Could it be possible that the machines have created a type of shell Matrix for those humans to live in, where they are able to be controlled by a more advanced choice algorithm? This would help explain the cycle of destruction among all the previous Matrices. Furthermore, this would suggest that Neo is of the percentage of that 1% for whom the 'free choice' algorithm doesn't work and he's beginning to realise that. That said, this can result in two outcomes: Neo will fully recognize this power and that will be the end. Or, as he progresses further as being 'the One' who is different from all those before him (the five 'Ones' from the previous Matrices,) then he will wake up from the Matrix and be the first human to start a real revolution. Methinks I like the second outcome the best.

And now that I've succeeded in completely confusing everyone, I've one more thing to add. I recently heard that the Albino Coalition of the World (or something like that) is getting all up in arms over the use of the Albino Gaurds. Lol. I really can't think of much else to say other than that.

[Holly Golightly]

Why??? I thought that those guards were damn awesome!!! I wich people in minority groups like that wouldnt' get so uptight about hitngs that arent' supposed to be insulting!!!

Anyways, I think that the addition of a second matrix to comtroll teh 1% of people that are free would just be too much...

BUt I am very curious to the explination of a normal human creating an emp...??? very magnito x-men~ish or what????

[Neo]

If Zion isn't connected with The Matrix then why Neo could have choose 20 people to rebuilt Zion?
The movie is so weird, I hate that we will have to wait 6 months, but well the HP wait has been longer.

[Broken Machine]

Well like you I went in and came out confused till I discussed it and saw it again. From my own design I made some facts up. First off the Oracle explained that the MATRIX is as the Matrix does. She is a program that was created to lead Neo down the path towards the meeting of the Architect. However there is one thing that I noticed. The Oracle, Agent Smith, and the French guy at the retaurant are all programs that are trying their hardest to be human. The two times we have seen the Oracle she is doing more human functions like cooking cookies, next she is feeding pideons on a park bench. Agent Smith wants to be free from the Matrix and becoming just as anxious as a human would be had they known what was happening around them. Even the french guy cheats on his wife, what would be the purpose of that in a program. Then again I think that maybe the French guy and his two minions could be hackers and thats why they are able to do and go anywhere they please, even cheat death. Then again the french guy has been around since the first five Neo's.

So later when we come to the architect we see that Neo is on all the screens and when the architect gives Neo choices we see many different reactions, thus the reactions of the five other Neo's before. (Here is where my comment makes sense for you Neo) Neo is a program like all the others. He is the fail safe for when the Matrix is broken down to ease the suffering of the Zionist by giving them their revolution. The architect gives subtle examples like when he tells Neo that Trinity is dead no matter what choice he makes, a fact since the Matrix was designed for that sole purpose of giving Neo the choice to either save Trinity or Zion. He is so positive yet he tells Neo I see in you what I did not see in the last five that have come before you. Meaning that Neo in his attempt as a program to become more human like has done so with love and compassion by those who have followed him. Now don't get me wrong, Neo is a human, and this is how I explain how agent smith is able to duplicate himself and come into the real world. He has become a virus that infects other programs and what better a way for a virus to become immobalized then to transfer into a computer which everyone woken from the Matrix is since they have the ability to download and save files of info. Now this could be the truth or it could be possible that the real world is a matrix within a matrix. That maybe a fail safe was for the matrix to entrap its occupants making them think they had escaped. Thus Neo's words" something isn't right. I can feel them now", and then bam he blows the machines away. I donwloaded the preview for the Matrix Revolutions and it kind of puts the theory in prospective. Neo is fighting an agent smith, who is also lining the streets around, and Morpheus says "He's fighting for us". Now this could mean that inorder for Neo to bring his systematic ritual of beginning and ending the Matrix he must choose to delete himself leaving the system without a fail safe. Or that Neo is the key to ending the war and agent smith knows it so he is trying to kill Neo.

Now with my theory on Neo as part human with a program for a mind. If he was to delete his programing from his head he would ultimatly be free'd from the matrix. Not much else. Still pretty confusing.